Jimmer Fredette to the Spurs (Update: Mostly Non-Guaranteed Training Camp Deal)

[dweaver99027]

If he's only playing because of rest/injury, then he's not a rotation player, he's Baynes season one or two.

If he's being trusted with playing time when there is a need for whatever reason, it's good enough to be considered such by me. Cory was technically not a rotation player either, but he was entrusted with key workload. Semantics, definitions, etc ...

[exstatic]

If he's being trusted with playing time when there is a need for whatever reason, it's good enough to be considered such by me. Cory was technically not a rotation player either, but he was entrusted with key workload. Semantics, definitions, etc ...

The definition of rotation player on most teams is 7-8 guys. On the Spurs, it's more like 10 guys, because they're pretty generous at spreading regular minutes around, but that still leaves 4-5 players as nothing but filler. Jimmer, if he makes the roster, has no chance to escape that "filler" box.

Playing minutes doesn't put you in the rotation. Playing regular, non-garbage minutes every night you suit up and aren't resting does. Don't confuse Pop having expectations and "trusting" you with being in the rotation. He has that for players 1-15. Cory was a "filler" last year for at least half the season. When Patty got well, he went back to his filler spot, along with Ayres, Anderson, Daye/Williams (same roster spot), and Bonner.

[Spurtacular]

The definition of rotation player on most teams is 7-8 guys. On the Spurs, it's more like 10 guys, because they're pretty generous at spreading regular minutes around, but that still leaves 4-5 players as nothing but filler. Jimmer, if he makes the roster, has no chance to escape that "filler" box.

Playing minutes doesn't put you in the rotation. Playing regular, non-garbage minutes every night you suit up and aren't resting does. Don't confuse Pop having expectations and "trusting" you with being in the rotation. He has that for players 1-15. Cory was a "filler" last year for at least half the season. When Patty got well, he went back to his filler spot, along with Ayres, Anderson, Daye/Williams (same roster spot), and Bonner.

Reality is there are semi-rotation minutes on every team...

And 7-9 guy rotations is for the playoffs. Regular season, teams typically go ten or more deep consistently.

[exstatic]

Reality is there are semi-rotation minutes on every team...

And 7-9 guy rotations is for the playoffs. Regular season, teams typically go ten or more deep consistently.

You must not watch much Thunder or Trailblazer ball. I also think we still are talking past each other.

When I say a typical rotation is 7-8 guys, I'm talking guys who play meaninigful minutes every night that they are active, without fail. If they're dressed in uniform, they will NEVER get a DNP-CD. Those are your rotation guys. That's the reason there is a rotation designation, as opposed to guys who only play to cover rest, injuries, or garbage time. Most teams it's 8 guys, Spurs go 10 deep. Even that won't help Jimmer.

[Spurtacular]

You must not watch much Thunder or Trailblazer ball. I also think we still are talking past each other.

When I say a typical rotation is 7-8 guys, I'm talking guys who play meaninigful minutes every night that they are active, without fail. If they're dressed in uniform, they will NEVER get a DNP-CD. Those are your rotation guys. That's the reason there is a rotation designation, as opposed to guys who only play to cover rest, injuries, or garbage time. Most teams it's 8 guys, Spurs go 10 deep. Even that won't help Jimmer.

Blazers...maybe. Thunder....no. They had semi-rotation players.

Look, there's exceptions to every rule. But the point is that semi-rotation players are a strong reality in the NBA.

And no, few teams if any are rolling with only 8 before the playoffs. That's just a formula for tired legs and a first or second round loss. The Blazers did it in 2014, and the Spurs wiped the floor with their asses.

[exstatic]

Blazers...maybe. Thunder....no. They had semi-rotation players.

Look, there's exceptions to every rule. But the point is that semi-rotation players are a strong reality in the NBA.

And no, few teams if any are rolling with only 8 before the playoffs. That's just a formula for tired legs and a first or second round loss. The Blazers did it in 2014, and the Spurs wiped the floor with their asses.

See, your not talking rotation, only some subgroup of players called semi-rotation. Someone flat out said that he would make the rotation. He will not. He will struggle to make the 15 man roster. If he does that, he will struggle to be one of the active 12 man roster on any given night. Expect to see him model many suits this year, if he sticks at all.

[dweaver99027]

The definition of rotation player on most teams is 7-8 guys. On the Spurs, it's more like 10 guys, because they're pretty generous at spreading regular minutes around, but that still leaves 4-5 players as nothing but filler. Jimmer, if he makes the roster, has no chance to escape that "filler" box. Playing minutes doesn't put you in the rotation. Playing regular, non-garbage minutes every night you suit up and aren't resting does. Don't confuse Pop having expectations and "trusting" you with being in the rotation. He has that for players 1-15. Cory was a "filler" last year for at least half the season. When Patty got well, he went back to his filler spot, along with Ayres, Anderson, Daye/Williams (same roster spot), and Bonner.

As I already said, ' semantics , definitions, etc ...' . Will he beat Patty for backup PG? Will he get the Marco role? Probably not, but not impossible. Jimmer offering to the Spurs the same level of play Cory did last year will be a huge boost even if he is used with only the same frequency as Cory. 'Rotation-Caliber Player'. There.

[Spurtacular]

See, your not talking rotation, only some subgroup of players called semi-rotation. Someone flat out said that he would make the rotation. He will not. He will struggle to make the 15 man roster. If he does that, he will struggle to be one of the active 12 man roster on any given night. Expect to see him model many suits this year, if he sticks at all.

I've talked rotation. I've talked semi-rotation. I've never "flat out said" Jimmer would be a rotation player. As one poster said, CoJo was a semi-rotation player (rotation player during injuries as well). These are realities in NBA basketball. There's fluctuation.

[ChumpDumper]

lol semi-rotation.

The hits just keep coming.

[look_at_g_shred]

Oh 50 pages? Where da have I been? lol

[Gladney to see you]

Jimmer has made this summer interesting so make the team or not he will always be a Spur to me.

[Gladney to see you]

I will say that 95% from the line is a good enough resume to make a team especially for a 15? Man, especially in the western conference where every point is at a premium. He can do it cold too. Just saying

[Proxy]

Maybe Jimmer will make the part-time, semi-semi rotation. One can hope.

[AFBlue]

See, your not talking rotation, only some subgroup of players called semi-rotation. Someone flat out said that he would make the rotation. He will not. He will struggle to make the 15 man roster. If he does that, he will struggle to be one of the active 12 man roster on any given night. Expect to see him model many suits this year, if he sticks at all.

I said he would. I'm not backing down from it either. He's the closest thing they have to Beli, and they'll want to save Ginobili's legs over the long season. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm probably the only one that's not patently dismissive of the possibility.

[playbonner15]

WE DID IT ST! 50 PAGES FOR THIS SCRUB!!

[Kool Bob Love]

Only posting because I wanted a spot on 50.

[ismael-robert]

Wow must be off season let this horse die...but if we're gonna keep it going then I'll plug my abandon the inactive player list agenda here. If yall missed my thread I'm proposing a rule change that if a player is healthy he can suit up...no more business suits necessary. Every night the 15 man has opportunity to play. With current economy and Spurs able to put a deep enough team together that fans wanna see every player every night, at least this year when we will hopefully have many blowouts. Jimmer n Bonner can have many chances to play with abandoning this rule.

[Trainwreck2100]

im at a differe post per page so I'm only at 30

[Spur|n|Austin]

im at a differe post per page so I'm only at 30

[spurraider21]

how does a jimmer thread get to 50 pages? thank the top posters

[Gladney to see you]

Outing is a hate crime.

[playbonner15]

Can this thread get to 60?

[playbonner15]

Rollin for 60

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

how does a jimmer thread get to 50 pages? thank the top posters

Got to say, I'm glad I'm not on this list. Wow, 50 pages. Kings were hoping that Jimmer became a fan favorite in Sac Town. Looks like he already is in SA. San Antonio, Sweet Sacramento connection.

[spurraider21]

yeah, there are 30 posts per page, so thank Spurtacular for contributing over 7 pages on his own, with ceperez adding another 5+