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    Lol if you hang out with someone you must know all about his criminal activities. This is pizzagate level

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    Lol if you hang out with someone you must know all about his criminal activities. This is pizzagate level
    Everybody knew about Epstein. Bill too.

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    Trump May Think He’s Legally Immune From Obstruction Indictment. He’s Wrong.

    Dershowitz didn’t say that presidents are immune from all obstruciton charges.

    He said to charge a president with such an offense, “you need clearly illegal acts …

    hush money paid,

    telling people to lie,

    destroying evidence,”

    Like so many things in the pre-Trump age, immunity was essentially assumed, and barely analyzed.

    St. Clair wrote in his brief, “It has never been seriously disputed by legal scholars, jurists, or cons utional authorities that a President may not be indicted while he is an in bent.”

    St. Clair was right. It never has been seriously disputed by anyone. But that sure doesn’t mean that it couldn’t be. St. Clair had two main arguments for presidential immunity:

    1) because the entire power of the executive branch vests in the president alone, it’s ridiculous to think he could be subject to prosecution; and

    2) because the Cons utional provision on impeachment specifically says that an impeached official is subject to prosecution after removal from office,

    the framers must have meant that those officials couldn’t be prosecuted before they were removed from office.

    While those are certainly reasonable arguments, they’re not even close to air-tight.

    Trump’s arrogant above-the-law persona doesn’t mix well with the judiciary, and

    even judges would be willing to find presidents immune,

    I’d be shocked to see them do so on these grounds.

    Jaworski also noted that the clause in the Cons ution applied to all officials who are subject to impeachment, not just to the President.

    To me, that makes the interpretation pretty obvious.

    Officials other than the president can certainly be prosecuted;

    therefore, it’s not really logical to conclude that the clause prohibited prosecutions of the president or anyone else.

    https://lawandcrime.com/legal-analys...ent-hes-wrong/

    Trash gave the letter LYING about the meeting with the Russian to DJTJr, so that is CLEARLY obstruction of justice and "telling" DJTJr to lie, satisfying Dershowitz.




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    “Dowd is basically arguing that as the chief law enforcement officer,

    Trump has the authority to block investigations

    into himself, his allies and into his friends, and

    nothing he does can be construed as obstruction of justice,”

    Matthew Miller, a former Justice Department spokesman, told me this morning.

    “The logical extension of all this is that Trump can try to remove Mueller and it would be entirely legitimate.”

    Trump is amplifying a narrative that his media allies have banged away at in recent weeks, one designed to

    goad Trump
    into going full authoritarian.

    The basic idea is that Mueller and the FBI are themselves corrupt — Clinton is not being investigated, but Trump’s campaign is — so the only way to set things right is to close down Mueller’s probe.

    The bottom line: Trump’s legal and/or political exposure — and that of his top advisers — appears to have grown.

    And given Trump’s response, so too has the possibility that he will try to put a stop to the investigation.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/12/04/its-time-to-ask-every-republican-this-question-about-trump-and-mueller/?undefined=&utm_term=.05ee52279d7f&wpisrc=nl_most& wpmm=1

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    Trump’s lawyer: the president can’t obstruct justice.

    13 legal experts: yes, he can.


    “Dowd’s argument is the last refuge of a scoundrel, and it would lead us down a path to despotism.”

    https://www.vox.com/2017/12/4/167334...n-russia-comey

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    Man, TSA is trying really hard these days.

    Good news.

    Got your "Flynn's intentional commission of a felony to expose the baby eaters" theory ready yet?

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    To recap: Flynn brought counter intel spooks into the NSC (more than Cattler), got them TS/SCI clearances which they retained after Flynn's resignation in order to assist the administration in tracking down the leaks coming from within the USIC.


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    Yeah ok. What happens when your fantasy doesn't pan out again, TSA?

    Might as well show us your next spin ahead of time.

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    Who Lied to Who When and Why It Barely Matters



    .....

    What does that all mean? Certainly it means that the ‘he fired because he lied to Pence” explanation for Flynn’s firing was bogus.

    Why?

    Because the whole senior staff knew these claims were false and let the falsehood stand for weeks.

    It also makes it very likely that the whole discussion about just when Yates said this and McGahn said that is meaningless since Trump and Pence likely knew all of this more than a month before Flynn was fired.

    Flynn was very tight with Trump.

    I think it’s highly unlikely that Trump didn’t know Flynn was interviewed on the day in question.

    It’s likely they discussed it.

    They were talking all the time.


    In any case, continuing to discuss this question on the basis of the ‘Flynn lied to Pence’ canard or when Sally Yates brought the news to the White House just means

    we’re trying to understand what happened within the framework of what we now know are lies.

    We shouldn’t.

    Trump’s top advisors knew the true nature of the calls and repeatedly lied about it to reporters.

    This is the only plausible read of the the current evidence.

    They allowed Pence’s false statements to stand for weeks, which amounts to a furtherance of those lies.

    We’re simply not dealing with something the key people found out in late January.

    This was a cover-up, a string of publicly verified deceptions that went back to the beginning of the month.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/...+%28TPMNews%29

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    To recap: Flynn brought counter intel spooks into the NSC (more than Cattler), got them TS/SCI clearances which they retained after Flynn's resignation in order to assist the administration in tracking down the leaks coming from within the USIC.

    Do you have any thoughts of your own or are you just going to play social media repost bot from here on out?

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    Not a surprise in the least TSA following some asshole named Galatic Redpill.

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    Do you have any thoughts of your own or are you just going to play social media repost bot from here on out?
    All of his predictions have been wrong so I guess he only has bots left.

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    Why the Trump Team Should Fear the Logan Act

    The Logan Act makes it a crime for a United States citizen, “without authority” from the federal government, to communicate with foreign officials in order to “influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government” in a dispute with the United States or “to defeat the measures of the United States.”

    A conviction can result in a prison sentence of up to three years.

    The statute, which has been on the books since the early days of the republic, reflects an important principle.

    The president is — as the Supreme Court has said time and again — “the sole organ of the nation in its external relations.”

    If private citizens could hold themselves out as representatives of the United States and work at cross-purposes with the president’s own diplomatic objectives, the president’s ability to conduct foreign relations would be severely hampered.


    The statute applies squarely to Mr. Flynn.

    According to court filings, a “very senior member” of the Trump transition team told Mr. Flynn on or about Dec. 22, 2016, to contact officials from Russia and other foreign governments regarding a resolution pending before the United Nations Security Council that condemned Israeli settlement activity.

    Mr. Flynn then asked the Russian ambassador, Sergey I. Kislyak, to delay a vote on the resolution or use Russia’s veto to prevent it from passing.


    The conversation between Mr. Flynn and Mr. Kislyak about the Security Council resolution clearly falls within the Logan Act’s scope.

    The Obama administration, frustrated with Israeli settlement activity, had chosen not to use its veto to block the measure.

    Mr. Flynn’s overture to Russia was thus an attempt to countermand the current administration’s decision regarding a highly sensitive foreign policy subject.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/04/o...er=rss&emc=rss

    Obviously, Obama firing Flynn, in retrospect, was fully justified.

    Flynn is a lawless, corrupt asshole, is still very cherished by lawless, corrupt asshole Trash.



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    Boom.

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    It only gets worse.

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    Boom X2.

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    Undermining US interests and Obstruction.

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    Michael Flynn’s Guilty Plea Sends Donald Trump’s Lawyers Scrambling

    The President insists that the investigations into Russian meddling amount to nothing more than fake news. But the truth is now emerging.

    “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go,” Trump said. “He is a good guy.”

    Trump is not generally known for his magnanimous impulses toward former associates,

    so the question of why he wanted the F.B.I. to ease up on Flynn became a matter of intense debate.

    We may now know the reason.

    ...

    George Mason, one of the most eloquent of the Framers,

    asked rhetorically during the Cons utional Convention,

    “Shall the man who has practiced corruption & by that means procured his appointment in the first instance,

    be suffered to escape punishment, by repeating his guilt?”


    As Sunstein told me, “If you procure your office by corrupt means, that would be an impeachable offense.”

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/12/11/michael-flynns-guilty-plea-sends-donald-trumps-lawyers-scrambling

    A very long read, but Trash and his crime family mafiya require much more than sound bites



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    Not a surprise in the least TSA following some asshole named Galatic Redpill.


    TSA follows theorists. Shocker.

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    Extraordinary means? That's how they passed their tax cut last time under Bush. That's how they were trying to repeal the ACA. Extraordinary means would be doing something that could have gotten 8 Democrat votes to get to 60. You have way too much faith in the GOP breaking from Trump, which doesn't make much any sense to me as we're seeing the party being purged and remade in Trump's image.
    I don't see it that way at all.
    I see the GOP splitting. Trump has taken some giant lumps after 1 year. What have they done? Passed 1 bill of significance and totally dropped the ball on health care after having many years to plan a better system? The wall. The coal jobs... Presidents make most of their big moves 1st year. The only thing Trump has in his favor is his record of getting anything done can't get much worse. When health care gets even worse, and the middle class sees it loses ground...

    The democrats better get their together as they may be using a simple majority with no discussion to thwart any changes Trump might initiate. Trump may even align with Democrats after 2018 if it goes well for Democrats. He seriously has no real principles, he goes with whatever wins.

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    It only gets worse.
    Yep.

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    Trash and the Repug Congress are IDENTICAL in their policies. There is no, will not be any "split"

    Trash is a symptom of 50 years of the oligarchy's strategy, not a cause.

    Trash very probably knew not a single of his cabinet members and certainly none their staffs, which all together comprise a destructive, predatory kakistocracy handed to Trash by the Repugs.

    split? G M A F B

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