1. Kevin Garnett (Minnesota Timberwolves) 48 32.81
2. LeBron James (Cleveland Cavaliers) 44 28.39
3. Dirk Nowitzki (Dallas Mavericks) 45 28.16
4. Amare Stoudemire (Phoenix Suns) 49 26.69
5. Tim Duncan (San Antonio Spurs) 48 26.33
6. Shawn Marion (Phoenix Suns) 49 25.80
7. Shaquille O'Neal (Miami Heat) 49 24.96
8. Chris Webber (Sacramento Kings) 39 24.10
9. Kobe Bryant (Los Angeles Lakers) 34 23.85
10. Tracy McGrady (Houston Rockets) 46 23.72
Best Guard in the L....
Again, they call it efficiency, but that is not what really represents.
It simply means THE GOOD STATS minus the BAD ONES, with no regard to amount of possesions used, PACE of game etc.... You have to factor a lot more things to get a true efficiency type of rating. Not just the addition and subtraction of total player stats.
So I guess stats mean nothing....let's from now on prove players by highlights, pacing, style and shoes and community assistance....Christ....this is just sad.
Manu's an all-star!!
I'm so excited I already asked for the ASW nights off. I have the feeling Manu's going to make some very exciting plays. Here's to Manu making more All Star appearances.
Hey, we haven't been fair to Kobe, I finally found something he is the best in the NBA at...
>>>insert LakerFan's pathetic attempts to sound knowledgable while arguing that FG% and TO's are unimportant here<<<<Code:NBA Turnover Leaders RNK NAME GP MPG TO TOPG TOP48 AST/TO STL/TO 1 Kobe Bryant, LAL 34 42.0 151 4.4 5.1 1.48 0.30 2 Dwyane Wade, MIA 46 38.7 191 4.2 5.2 1.74 0.36 3 Steve Francis, ORL 47 38.0 192 4.1 5.2 1.71 0.31 4 R. Jefferson, NJN 33 41.1 132 4.0 4.7 1.01 0.25 5 Allen Iverson, PHI 42 42.0 166 4.0 4.5 1.92 0.55 6 J. Tinsley, IND 37 34.0 126 3.4 4.8 1.94 0.62 7 A. Walker, ATL 47 40.1 160 3.4 4.1 1.09 0.36 8 LeBron James, CLE 44 41.5 145 3.3 3.8 2.32 0.71 9 C. Anthony, DEN 40 36.2 131 3.3 4.3 0.87 0.31 10 C. Maggette, LAC 38 36.7 123 3.2 4.2 1.03 0.30 11 J. O'Neal, IND 31 36.4 96 3.1 4.1 0.61 0.22 12 Steve Nash, PHO 46 34.3 142 3.1 4.3 3.61 0.34 13 S. Marbury, NYK 48 39.7 144 3.0 3.6 2.72 0.48 Al Harrington, ATL 46 39.7 138 3.0 3.6 1.04 0.45 15 G. Arenas, WAS 45 39.9 132 2.9 3.5 1.77 0.61 16 Eddy Curry, CHI 41 29.0 120 2.9 4.8 0.26 0.11 17 Paul Pierce, BOS 48 36.3 138 2.9 3.8 1.49 0.59 18 Chris Webber, SAC 39 36.0 112 2.9 3.8 1.78 0.54 19 S. O'Neal, MIA 49 35.1 140 2.9 3.9 1.03 0.14 20 Yao Ming, HOU 48 31.8 134 2.8 4.2 0.28 0.17 21 R. Hamilton, DET 46 39.3 128 2.8 3.4 1.49 0.39 22 Pau Gasol, MEM 39 33.9 107 2.7 3.9 0.97 0.22 23 Kevin Garnett, MIN 48 39.2 129 2.7 3.3 2.22 0.56 Tony Parker, SAS 48 33.6 129 2.7 3.8 2.31 0.40 Carlos Boozer, UTH 48 35.3 129 2.7 3.7 1.06 0.30 26 Tracy McGrady, HOU 46 42.3 123 2.7 3.0 2.15 0.63 27 Zach Randolph, POR 39 35.7 103 2.6 3.5 0.78 0.29 28 Andre Miller, DEN 47 36.7 123 2.6 3.4 2.39 0.56 29 Grant Hill, ORL 45 34.5 117 2.6 3.6 1.42 0.49 30 Ray Allen, SEA 43 39.8 111 2.6 3.1 1.59 0.45 31 Lamar Odom, LAL 46 36.1 118 2.6 3.4 1.32 0.25 32 J. Richardson, GSW 39 38.0 99 2.5 3.2 1.49 0.58 33 C. Billups, DET 45 37.2 113 2.5 3.2 2.50 0.49 34 Elton Brand, LAC 47 37.6 117 2.5 3.2 1.09 0.30 35 Kirk Hinrich, CHI 44 36.9 108 2.5 3.2 2.84 0.61 36 M. Williams, MIL 45 26.6 110 2.4 4.4 2.38 0.34 37 Z. Ilgauskas, CLE 46 33.4 112 2.4 3.5 0.60 0.29 38 Dirk Nowitzki, DAL 45 39.5 109 2.4 2.9 1.23 0.55 39 Ricky Davis, BOS 48 31.5 116 2.4 3.7 1.16 0.50 40 A. Stoudemire, PHO 49 36.4 117 2.4 3.1 0.67 0.46 41 Ben Gordon, CHI 44 22.7 103 2.3 5.0 0.76 0.25 42 Rafer Alston, TOR 46 33.7 105 2.3 3.2 3.11 0.63 Manu Ginobili, SAS 46 29.8 105 2.3 3.7 1.74 0.77 44 Jalen Rose, TOR 47 29.9 106 2.3 3.6 0.96 0.27 45 Kenyon Martin, DEN 44 34.3 99 2.3 3.2 1.21 0.67 46 Chris Bosh, TOR 48 35.7 107 2.2 3.0 0.73 0.40 47 Mark Blount, BOS 48 28.5 106 2.2 3.7 0.84 0.16 48 G. Wallace, CHA 40 29.4 88 2.2 3.6 0.80 0.73 49 Mike Bibby, SAC 46 38.2 99 2.2 2.7 2.95 0.69 50 Doug Christie, ORL/SAC 43 31.3 91 2.1 3.2 1.97 0.73
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Better luck next year, Parker.
You're an idiot...the best players in the game are high in Turnovers....man great arguement...what are you proving..I guess your biased opinion on why kobe sucks...but can't really put it past you that all of those supposed coaches and HOF's that we seem to covet would pick Kobe over 99% of all the players in the L. But once again your analysis is worthy of....bull .
So all those coaches and HOFers are legitimate when picking Kobe over 99% of the players in the league but not when they pick Manu to be an All Star?
Kick your own ass much?
Stay down Med...just stay the down.
You are on the same side of the fence as the people who voted Yao over Shaq and who vote in guys that haven't played a game all season...
Magic said Manu is an All Star, end of argument!...Suck it and STFU.
The fact is that people who have an enhanced knowledge of the game do see why Manu is an All Star...
While the only ones saying he isn't are nimrod casual fans that can't see beyond PPG.
Manu is the basketball purists pick...those who know the game think Manu is an All Star.
Manu is an all-star...yes you are right...
Should he have been.....no
Yeah cuz PPG is all that matters. You've impressed us with your insight.
PPG does matter....ass....you can't win without scoring the rock.
Go manu! I dont feel like reading through the rest of the psots that undoubtaldly question the validity of his selcetion and Tony's snub.
What part of IF didn't you understand?
What team is Chris Whitney on?
Questions.
TMac lead the NBA in scoring last season....ass....his team had the worst record in the NBA.
Kobe's scoring is up from last season...ass....how's LA's record compared to last season?
Are you that dense....you win games by scoring points...he's the most effecient guard in the league....they are in the playoff hunt....what more accolades do you need. Manu's not even in the top 20 players in the L. If it wasn't for AK 47's injury earlier...Manu would be watching from the sidelines with Tony L.
By the way Med...I want to give you props...you are the first Lakerfan I've ever seen that is willing to admit AI and TMac are better than Kobe.
I don't see Kobe 'sitting' out for the ASG. He likes the limelight too much. Isn't he suppose to be back this week anyway?
Awesome.
I'm glad he made it, although I've thought he was a borderline case all along. I do feel for Webber. He should be on the team.
It's refreshing to see a player like Manu go. He doesn't have the monster numbers, but he does all of the little things.
More importantly, I'm calling out Jimcs. Francis couldn't even make the all star team in the weaker eastern conference?
I guess it's official now:
Arenas > Francis
Ginobili > Francis
Eventually his style of play and mental incapacity to star in the league were going to catch up with him. And I'm lovin' it.
Did you actually read any of my posts....PPG does matter, just not the be all end all of stats....it's the intangibles plus those stats that matter....rebounds, assists, leadership, grit, composure, making the big plays...
Once again....Kobe's the best guard in the L.
Rashard Lewis > Francis?
How the is Manu better than Francis...I'm getting way too tired about this BS.
End of argument.
Manu is the only 2 guard in the NBA that is in the top 10 in every single major statistical category.
And he is the most efficient scoring guard in the NBA.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out he would score more if he took more shots.
This is for you my friend!!!
This thread is about Manu, not Kobe. Go some elsewere!
Where the did this comment come from? If it was directed at me that was pathetic.
Pace means how fast a team plays. If you are the Kings, Wizards, or Suns you play at a fast pace meaning they get easier baskets, and more opportunities to produce more stats. Understand? Higher pace = more stats. More Stats does not mean BETTER.
I never said Kobes stats mean nothing -- all I said is he is not nearly as efficient as he should be. His offensive efficiency has dropped considerably this season. His team has a lot more room for growth. But he is not getting it out of them yet. We will see if he can when he gets back.
there's a difference between the best (i.e. how man points you can score, assists you log, steals...etc) and being the most efficient (fg%, steal to TO ratio, etc)
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