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Here are quite a few Pro deterence studies. I'm reading them now, interesting stuff.
http://www.cjlf.org/deathpenalty/DPDeterrence.htm
Read a few, or skim through a few, or do whatever. Then read the one by Berk @ UCLA
Please, those links I provided have more than enough information on the death penalty. If you like, I can provide much more information.
I think the stats you would like are non existant for the reason that there has never been a study that has found benefits of the death penalty.
I'll do some searching for you, and see what I can find. It's the damn internet, I'm sure I can find something.
Here are quite a few Pro deterence studies. I'm reading them now, interesting stuff.
http://www.cjlf.org/deathpenalty/DPDeterrence.htm
Read a few, or skim through a few, or do whatever. Then read the one by Berk @ UCLA
I've already presented my solution to the problem - nobody dies, everyone is free, and we are all happy
Manny, please pick one inmate on death row who should not be killed and let's debate the merits of that case. I don't expect you to have intimate knowledge of every death row case, but surely there's a web site out there which does.
Let's flex some righteous muscle.
I don't have intimate knowledge of any really, but I'll find some and read up on some, and I'll post a few on here tomorrow for varieties sake. We can pick one or more even and debate them.
Truer words were never spoken....
Who would want to. I have always wondered, looking at the picture you
post, is that your age, or number of legal parents or is that just how high you can count? If you had a brain you would take it out and play with it. , the US of A never did anything right anyhow in your small opinion. So why don't you just give up, form your own government and go play with whatever you can get your hands on.
Also easier said than done for some folk and usually said by someone who hasn't been there.
i started life in a trailer house in the country...raised by a single mother, one of 3 children... by 22 i was pulling in over six figures working overseas... so, i've been there bro...
I was too busy today to find a case, so I'll try tomorrow.
please.
I don't fall into that category.
Ok, I can't find information about ongoing cases, probably becasue the attorneys pursuing the cases don't release the info untill it's over.
The only thing I can do, is provide some on situations where someone may have been executed while innocent, provide more info on exonorations, and provide info on actual innocence.
So that's what I'll do.
This case strikes me, largely because of his location.
David Spence Texas Conviction 1984 Executed 1997
Spence was charged with murdering three teenagers in 1982. He was allegedly hired by a convenience store owner to kill another girl, and killed these victims by mistake. The convenience store owner, Muneer Deeb, was originally convicted and sentenced to death, but then was acquitted at a re-trial. The police lieutenant who supervised the investigation of Spence, Marvin Horton, later concluded: "I do not think David Spence committed this crime." Ramon Salinas, the homicide detective who actually conducted the investigation, said: "My opinion is that David Spence was innocent. Nothing from the investigation ever led us to any evidence that he was involved." No physical evidence connected Spence to the crime. The case against Spence was pursued by a zealous narcotics cop who relied on testimony of prison inmates who were granted favors in return for testimony.
He claimed innocence untill the end
Yes, I do. First of all, I want you to understand I speak the truth when I say I didn’t kill your kids. Honestly I have not killed anyone. I wish you could get the rage from your hearts and you could see the truth and get rid of the hatred.
I love you all – (names of children) – Corey, Steve (garbled) – This is very important. I love ya’ll and I miss ya’ll. O.K., now I’m finished.
Poor people haveit made with this type of representation.
Gary Graham Texas Convicted 1981 Executed 2000
On June 23, 2000, Gary Graham was executed in Texas, despite claims that he was innocent. Graham was 17 when he was charged with the 1981 robbery and shooting of Bobby Lambert outside a Houston supermarket. He was convicted primarily on the testimony of one witness, Bernadine Skillern, who said she saw the killer's face for a few seconds through her car windshield, from a distance of 30 -40 feet away. Two other witnesses, both who worked at the grocery store and said they got a good look at the assailant, said Graham was not the killer but were never interviewed by Graham's court appointed attorney, Ronald Mock, and were not called to testify at trial. Three of the jurors who voted to convict Graham signed affidavits saying they would have voted differently had all of the evidence been available.
I think most people would acknowledge that the South is the most racist or at least was the most racist part of this country.
This isn't direct proof of a corolation between racism and convictions, but I think it is a safe assumption that many of those wrongful convictions were do to prosecution with racist undertones.
In Florida, Innocence Doesn’t Exist
Florida has had more exonerations than any other state. As a token response to this development, a state commission examined some of these cases and came to the correct conclusion that the justice system does not prove innocence: "Of these 23 cases, none were found 'innocent,' even when acquitted, because no such verdict exists. A defendant is found guilty or not guilty, never innocent." [44]
However, the commission then went on to the shocking conclusion that none of the Florida former inmates were innocent and that for almost all of them their guilt should not be doubted: "The guilt of only four defendants, however, was ever truly doubted," their report concluded. [45] This was said despite the fact that 8 of the 23 had all charges dropped by the prosecution, 10 were acquitted at re-trial, and 2 were pardoned. This represents a clear departure from our country’s long-standing commitment to the principle of being innocent until proven guilty.
One of the commissioners ironically claimed (while he himself was campaigning for Florida Attorney General) that the innocence list was politically motivated. Moreover, he came to an even more sweeping conclusion, unsubstantiated by the report, regarding all of those on Florida’s current death row: "Number one, the system is not broken,” he said. “Number two, there are no innocent people on death row. And Number three, the people who use these 23 cases as a reason to call for a moratorium are making a political statement." [46] There had been no commission review of the cases of people currently on death row. This kind of unfounded extrapolation blinds the state to the true extent of the problems in its midst.
Sure, if I lived in Florida I'd have pride in this system also.
105. Rudolph Holton Florida Convicted 1987 Charges Dismissed 2003
Rudolph Holton
(Photo: Florida Support)
Florida death row inmate Rudolph Holton was released on January 24, 2003, after prosecutors dropped all charges against him. (Miami Herald, January 25, 2003). Holton's convictions for a 1986 rape and murder were overturned in 2001 when a Florida Circuit Court held that the state withheld exculpatory evidence from the defense that pointed to another perpetrator. The court also found that new DNA tests contradicted the trial testimony of a state's witness. At trial, a prosecution witness testified that DNA hairs found in the victim's mouth linked Holton to the crime. However, more recent DNA tests conclusively excluded Holton as the contributor of the hair, and found that the hairs most likely belonged to the victim. (Florida v. Holton, No. 86-08931 (Fla. Cir. Ct. Sept. 2001) (order granting, in part, motion to vacate judgment)).
In December 2002, the Florida Supreme Court upheld the lower court's decision to reverse Holton's conviction and sentence. (Florida v. Holton, No. SC01-2671, 2002 Fla. LEXIS 2687 slip op. at 1 (Fla. December 18, 2002)). Prosecutors announced in January 2003 that the state was dropping all charges against Holton, who had spent 16 years on death row. (Miami Herald, January 25, 2003).97. Juan Roberto Melendez Florida Conviction 1984 Charges Dismissed 2002
Juan Roberto Melendez spent nearly 18 years on Florida's death row before being exonerated of the crime for which he was sentenced to death. Melendez, who was born in Brooklyn, New York and raised in Puerto Rico, was sentenced to die in 1984 for the murder of Delbert Baker.
In December 2001, Florida Circuit Court Judge Barbara Fleischer overturned Melendez's capital murder conviction after determining that prosecutors in his original trial withheld critical evidence, thereby undermining confidence in the original verdict. The judge noted that no physical evidence linked Melendez to the crime. The state had used the testimony of two witnesses whose credibility was later challenged with new evidence. (Associated Press, 12/5/01) Following the reversal of the conviction, prosecutors announced the state's decision to abandon charges against Melendez. (Associated Press, 1/3/02)
88. Frank Lee Smith Florida Convicted 1985 Charges Dismissed 2000
Frank Lee Smith, who had been convicted of a 1985 rape and murder of an 8-year-old girl, and who died of cancer in January 2000 while still on death row, was cleared of these charges by DNA testing, according to an aide to Florida Gov. Jeb Bush. After the trial, the chief eyewitness recanted her testimony. Nevertheless, Smith was scheduled for execution in 1990, but received a stay. Prosecutor Carolyn McCann was told by the FBI lab which conducted the DNA tests that: "He has been excluded. He didn't do it." Another man, who is currently in a psychiatric facility, is now the main suspect. (Washington Post, 12/15/00 (AP) and St. Petersburg Times (Florida) 12/15/00).
85. Joseph Nahume Green Florida Convicted 1993 Charges Dismissed 2000
Joseph Nahume Green was acquitted on March 16, 2000 of the murder of Judith Miscally. Circuit Judge Robert P. Cates entered a not guilty verdict for Green, citing the lack of any witnesses or evidence tying Green to the murder. Green, who has always maintained his innocence, was convicted largely upon the testimony of the stateÍs only eye witness, Lonnie Thompson. In 1996, GreenÍs conviction was overturned by the Florida Supreme Court, which held that ThompsonÍs testimony was often inconsistent and contradictory, and that he not been fit to testify during Green's trial (Nahume Green v. Florida, 688 So. 2d 301 (1996) and St. Petersburg Times (Florida), 3/17/00).
54. Andrew Golden Florida Conviction 1991 Charges Dismissed 1994
Golden, a high school teacher in Florida, was convicted of murdering his wife. His conviction was overturned by the Florida Supreme Court in 1993. The Court held that the state had failed to prove that the victim's death was anything but an accident. Golden was released into the waiting arms of his sons on January 6, 1994. (Golden v. State, 629 So.2d 109 (Fla. 1993)).
with all the appeals and no one ever caught this? not even dumbass probably guilty gary graham... so much for your aclu buddies doing their job... maybe if they would stop trying to help terrorists and other obviously guilty people they could spend more time on cases like this..
okay, manny, we get it... you think life is prison is better.. who cares about prison overcrowding?
What the ?
So now you're expecting the ACLU to fix our criminal justice system? Nevermind that you obviously have no grasp on who the ACLU fights for (oh you'd be suprised in many cases I'm sure), It's not their job!
Ha, there's always another excuse. Well, if they had done this, and if they had done that.
It ing figures man.
BTW, on the above, I'm sure it WAS brought up in the appeals process. That doesn't always get you new trials.
well, the aclu is fighting for the rights of terrorists...i think they have their priorities pretty ed up.. just like you
I'm not going to get into what the ACLU does in this thread unless is specificaly pertains to the death penalty. You want to argue what the ACLU does and why they do it, start a new thread.
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