UFC 91: Couture vs. Lesnar

[Evan]

Outside of Lesnar-Couture. Anybody else on the Kenflo train?

I'm almost there.

Dude doesn't understand what "I can't do it" means. How can you not love that?

[Anti.Hero]

I love Kenflo.

I laughed at this guy when I first saw him. Then I was amazed how he kept winning and winning and winning.

[BlackSwordsMan]

Randy talked about that in his book...he said a lot of people thought he was tapping out and it was one of the biggest mistakes he has ever made in a fight.

Wow that would have been crazy if the fight was stopped.

[Evan]

Wow that would have been crazy if the fight was stopped.

He mentioned that if it had been anyone but Big John who knows what he is doing it might have been stopped.

I have seen that replay a million times and never once thought about someone mistaking what happened.

[dallaskd]

Wow never thought of that. Could have been a huge mistake. lol

[desflood]

Outside of Lesnar-Couture. Anybody else on the Kenflo train?

I've said this before, but again: I never pick against Ken Florian. Ever. Every fight he has, everyone says, "He'll be crushed! Killed!" and he always pulls it out somehow. Even the fights that should have been massacres (Sherk) the other guy always comes out looking like he wrestled a bear.

Gotta pick Ken. Even if he does have one of the worst nicknames in mma.

[LEONARD]

I've become a Florian fan...will stop doubting him, until he faces BJ...then he'll lose...

[dbreiden83080]

Brocks MMA coach with some insight on his training and the fight, some interesting stuff...


http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=Vide...home&gid=15667

[polandprzem]

Brock is a fresh meat!

[LEONARD]

Preview videos
http://mmamania.com/2008/11/06/brock...t-talk-part-2/

[dbreiden83080]

I literally thought the guy interviewing Randy in that first spot was about to get on his knees undo Randy's zipper and go to town,

What a biased piece of crap that was..

[Evan]

I literally thought the guy interviewing Randy in that first spot was about to get on his knees undo Randy's zipper and go to town,

What a biased piece of crap that was..

MMA media sucks so bad. Its more biased than Al Jazeera and Foxnews and of worse quality than your local PBS.

Unless its fightopinion or bloodyelbow

[dallaskd]

I literally thought the guy interviewing Randy in that first spot was about to get on his knees undo Randy's zipper and go to town,

What a biased piece of crap that was..

Kind of like you and gsp

[dbreiden83080]

Kind of like you and gsp

Or you and Randy, or BJ Penn

I'm a fan, just like you fella... Not interviewing fighters and giving running biased commentary..

[dallaskd]

No you weren't, that's what i'm saying. 2 different kinds of athletes with different ways of training. When somone says "I hate this exercise" but they do it 20 times in a row at max intensity that is some pretty bad ass mental toughness.




If what Brock's trainer said is accurate about his training being so intense, he has trouble keeping weight on and he wants to come in around 280 once he bulks back up after weigh ins, than high calaries is probably the way to go for him. Everyone is different, i have read some crazy diet programs for Boxers in my life and it's not like Brock doesn't have world class people advising him on everything. And i don' think seeing him eat one meal in a 2 year old video is indicitive of much anyway..

Franklin and Sherk have the toughest training ive ever seen. I don't care how good Brock's camp is, no way it has the talent Randy sees everyday at Xtreme Couture.

[dbreiden83080]

Franklin and Sherk have the toughest training ive ever seen. I don't care how good Brock's camp is, no way it has the talent Randy sees everyday at Xtreme Couture.

What does this have to do with that post exactly?? And finding training partners to mimic Brock is not exactly a dime a dozen. He can find some guys but not many.. I don't know if anyone moves like Brock with his size and power.

[cornbread]

I have seen that replay a million times and never once thought about someone mistaking what happened.

It's the first thing I thought when I first saw it. Luckily Big John knows his and realized that there was no possible way that o could cause him to tap at that moment.

[cornbread]

Dallaskd, I'm also on the Kenflo train. I think he can beat any of the LWs besides Sherk and BJ. Unfortunately, I think those guys will be his ceiling.

[dbreiden83080]

***ESPN Article on Brock's Submission Game & Training Camp***


http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3672982


"When the Randy Couture/Brock Lesnar fight was announced a few months ago, the immediate breakdown was: Lesnar had age, size and speed on his side. Couture had experience and submissions as his advantages. Wrestling? Well, we'll call it a draw, even though Lesnar had a far more accomplished college career.

According to people inside Lesnar's camp, you can consider submissions essentially a draw at this point. (Of course, that's what people inside Lesnar's camp are supposed to say.)

Six months ago during interviews, both Nick Thompson and teammate Travis Wiuff said very different things about Lesnar's jiu-jitsu. Both admitted Lesnar had a long way to go with his grappling.

Fast forward to now. Thompson is one of the most underrated fighters on the planet (he's won 12 of his last 13 fights, the one defeat coming in July against Jake Shields), and maybe the smartest, too—a few days after the Shields loss, Thompson took the Minnesota bar exam and passed. Even as a Lesnar teammate, Thompson's opinions are worth listening to.

"Brock has gotten ridiculous on the ground," Thompson says. "Most of the black-belt level guys in our camp are 200-225 pounds and used to roll with Brock and tap him—including me. Forget it now. I highly doubt there will be a submission that ends this fight. But if there is one, don't be surprised if it's Brock tapping out Randy."

Lesnar by no means lacks confidence—he thinks he's going to win every fight, including against Couture. But he downplays his jiu-jitsu. "Oh, I'm not in Randy's league yet there," he says. "I still am just a meathead wrestler trying to learn this stuff."

Lesnar actually points to a different secret weapon for this fight: training partner Marty Morgan. After 16 years as Minnesota's top assistant wrestling coach, Morgan, the 1990 NCAA champion at 177 pounds, resigned his staff spot two months ago to go work at Minnesota Mixed Martial Arts Academy. Specifically, the former American Greco-Roman Olympic wannabe came in to train with Lesnar. Even more specifically, Morgan brought with him intimate knowledge of Couture, a former training partner as they both tried to make the 1992 and 1996 Olympic teams. "Marty is a huge help—huge," Lesnar says. "He's great to have around just because of his wrestling background. But throw in his experience around Randy, knowing how he thinks and battles, and I think Marty is a major asset for me."

As his training camp winds down, Lesnar is itching to get in the cage. It's been years now since he last won a le, and that spot around his waist, the one that for a long time was occupied by a gigantic pro wrestling heavyweight le belt, has been gold-free for a long time. Too long, by his estimation.

"I had to practice wearing that thing around, because it was so heavy," Lesnar says. "But I eventually got good at it. I don't want that skill to go to waste much longer."

[Evan]

Good read...have to wonder how much they're paying Morgan....10k? 20k?

[dbreiden83080]

Preview of the Countdown show is on UFC.com now, looks really really good..

[Avitus1]

I gotta go with Cap here I'm sure he'll submit Brock by the second round.

[dallaskd]

When it comes to breaking down the career of Randy Couture, the numbers (all UFC records) are undeniable – 14 championship fights, 42 championship rounds, 9 championship fight wins, and 5 knockout wins in le fights.

[dbreiden83080]

Alright i'm finally ready to lock in my picks..

Main Card Bouts:
-Randy Couture vs. Brock Lesnar
-Gabriel Gonzaga vs. Josh Hendricks
-Joe Stevenson vs. Kenny Florian
-Demian Maia vs. Nathan Quarry
Dustin Hazelett vs. Tamdan McCrory


I just don't think Randy can win unless he gets a sub or maybe a flash KO. Can't count Randy out ever but I say Brock by 2nd or 3rd RD TKO or maybe even lays on Randy and wins a decision. I hope it is exciting nomatter what. This is a huge fight for MMA.. A ton of people will see this fight..

I think Kenny will grind it out but it is a tough call. I like his stand-up better than Joe, Both are good on the ground, so i think Kenny will take it..

Gabe gets it to the ground with strikes and ends it with his Sub's probably in the first 2 rds. I doubt a decision here..

Love Maia's ground game in this one, Nate is dead if it hits the ground, don't see him with the KO, Maia by Sub Round 2...

[Evan]

Can't count Randy out ever but I say Brock by 2nd or 3rd RD TKO or maybe even lays on Randy and wins a decision.

You know I can't ever see Brock doing that. I think he knows how much he has in his gas tank with those huge muscles and I think he knows that the longer he takes a fight the less chance he has of winning.