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  1. #126
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    Source: Hamilton's new Pistons contract worth $34M
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    The Detroit Pistons didn't stop at making over their backcourt Monday.

    In addition to acquiring Allen Iverson in a three-for-one trade with the Denver Nuggets, the Pistons agreed to a three-year extension with Richard Hamilton, a team source told ESPN.com's Chad Ford.

    The new contract is worth $34 million, with the first two years guaranteed. The third year is only a partial guarantee, the source told Ford.

    Earlier Monday, Detroit sent Chauncey Billups, Antonio McDyess and Cheikh Samb to Denver in exchange for Iverson.

    "We just felt it was the right time to change our team," Pistons president of basketball operations Joe Dumars told The Associated Press. "Iverson gives us a dimension that we haven't had here and we really think it's going to help us."

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    Dragon style JamStone's Avatar
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    You are going to enjoy the Celtics/Pistons games even more. Your favorite NBA player in AI against the player you flat out DESPISE far more than anyone else in the league in Paul Pierce.

    True, but I don't despise Paul Pierce. Definitely don't like him, but far from despise him. Plus, I love KG.

    But, yeah, could be a much more interesting match-up now that Iverson can attack Rondo the way Rondo attacked Billups.

  3. #128
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    True, but I don't despise Paul Pierce. Definitely don't like him, but far from despise him. Plus, I love KG.

    But, yeah, could be a much more interesting match-up now that Iverson can attack Rondo the way Rondo attacked Billups.
    Yep AI will attack Rondo but Rondo will be doing the same to AI. More interesting matchup it is. How much more interesting is to be determined.

    Maybe despise was too strong of a word, but Pierce is by far your least favorite player in the league. No one even comes as a close second.

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    Sometimes, even though a deal makes sense for both teams, one side comes away the unquestionable winner.

    Detroit had its reasons for making Monday's trade of Chauncey Billups and Antonio McDyess for Allen Iverson, and those reasons make sense: As Chad Ford explains, the deal clears room for Rodney Stuckey to play at the point, and it paves the way for the Pistons to have some serious cap space in the summer when Iverson and Rasheed Wallace come off the books. That's nothing to sneeze at.

    That said, I can't believe how good this trade is for the Denver Nuggets. On almost every level, it accomplishes the main objectives this team had for both the present and the future.

    I am having a hard time finding a single drawback to this deal from Denver's perspective. About the only one I can think of is that the Nuggets might play at a slower pace with Billups at the helm, and that might take away a bit from the home-court advantage they enjoy in Denver's mile-high air. That's the best I can come up with.

    Meanwhile, the advantages pile up like snowdrifts on Pike's Peak. To wit:

    Insider: Trade analysis
    This trade not only boosts Denver on the court but also helps the bottom line. For more, click here.
    1. Denver got the better player.
    Iverson is a legend, and Billups isn't … but who would you rather have going forward?

    During the past two seasons, Billups has logged a player efficiency rating of 21.38 and 23.48, compared with 19.61 and 21.06 for Iverson. Throw in that Billups is a much better defensive player, has a superior durability track record and is a year younger, and there's no doubt which player you'd rather have going forward -- especially because Billups' savvy floor game and long-range shooting are likely to age much better than Iverson's speed-based approach.

    2. The trade better configures the Nuggets' talent.
    An Iverson-Billups swap makes a ton of sense from Denver's perspective because of how the rest of the roster shapes up.

    The Nuggets had two outstanding shooting guards (Iverson and J.R. Smith) and zero outstanding point guards; by swapping Iverson for Billups, they now have one of each. Smith should start at the 2 or see extended minutes off the bench at that spot, while Billups will hold down the fort at the point; Anthony Carter, meanwhile, can revert to the reserve guard role that better aligns with his skills.

    As a side benefit, this also should open up some extra minutes for Linas Kleiza, who was getting squeezed with Carmelo Anthony, Iverson and Smith already available on the wings.

    3. It makes room for Melo.
    The biggest winner from this whole trade may be Anthony. Suddenly, he has room to operate from his midpost area because Smith and Billups, who are deadly shooters, loom on the outside and can punish double-teams. And suddenly, he'll have the ball there a lot more and a lot earlier in the clock, because Iverson isn't sucking up possessions and shot-clock time on the perimeter.

    I've always believed that Denver needed another sniper in the backcourt to make its system work. (In fact, that's one reason the Nuggies inked Chucky Atkins in July 2007.) There was too much congestion for Anthony and Iverson to thrive. In Billups, they unquestionably have their sniper.

    4. It helps with the fans.
    Iverson might have been a huge gate attraction on the road, but in Denver, the locals had grown increasingly jaded. Swapping him for two high-character guys with local roots (Billups is from Denver, and McDyess, if he stays a Nugget, had his best seasons there) is bound to create some good karma with the locals, something that was needed after local faves Marcus Camby and Eduardo Najera bid the Rockies adieu this past summer.

    Need we go on?

    Whether or not the Iverson era in Denver went as planned, the Nuggets managed to turn him into an instant restoration of the team's hopes. And that's why, even if Detroit didn't lose the trade, Denver won it.
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/column...Nuggets-081103

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    i still love the trade for both teams. No team is a 'clear' winner in this one.

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    Dragon style JamStone's Avatar
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    Maybe despise was too strong of a word, but Pierce is by far your least favorite player in the league. No one even comes as a close second.
    Possibly. But, I don't really hate players.

    If Alonzo Mourning were still playing, he'd be more disliked than Pierce. For that matter, I hate on Dwyane Wad more than Pierce as well.

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    i agreee with jam stone.

    detroit got a NUMBER 1 option who can create for himself and others. but even bigger is the fact that detroits starters were getting older and now AI and sheeds contracts are expiring end of this year. thats 34 million off their payroll and they should have about 22 million this summer to get a free agent. (kobe bryant comes to mind but highy doubt kobe leaving la for detroit). some notable free agents this summer are ai, odom, kobe, marbury, gordon, marion, etc.
    I also agree with Jamstone (happening a lot lately ...scary) but why not?
    Neither were favorites to win the le and Detroit makes cap room ...and Billups still a clutch shooter and better PG but AI is FAR better player he is a first ballot HOF 3rd highest ppg EVER!!!

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    So who will play PG in Detroit now?

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    Dumars is really high on Stuckey but its not clear if he will turn out, he has a very inconsistant game at the moment, we also have a very credible Aflalo and Bynum.

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    I would say Iverson and Rip start, with some Stuckey, Iverson, Rip action as well

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    Yes, that's how it is on this forum. You'll get plenty of fans from other teams talking ish, and that's why it's so great.

    If you can't handle ish, then this isn't the board for you. But if you can take it, you'll find some great arguments and plenty of stupid ones too. Spurstalk is equal opportunity trash talking as long as you do it in the right part of the forums.
    No I can handle it. This forum is pretty cool, alot of unbiased, but different opinions. I was a bit hostile yesterday (my apologies) I suppose it's my fault for going to RealGM and looking at their poll results. Some how the Nuggets made out with the better end of the deal? They received less talent, and a bad contract.

    I'm glad you guys for the most part agree that we won this trade. I'd be willing to say it was a land slide. The only people who think Denver won this trade, are people who haven't watch Billups since we won 60+. He's declined, and it hasn't been pretty.

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    No I can handle it. This forum is pretty cool, alot of unbiased, but different opinions. I was a bit hostile yesterday (my apologies) I suppose it's my fault for going to RealGM and looking at their poll results. Some how the Nuggets made out with the better end of the deal? They received less talent, and a bad contract.

    I'm glad you guys for the most part agree that we won this trade. I'd be willing to say it was a land slide. The only people who think Denver won this trade, are people who haven't watch Billups since we won 60+. He's declined, and it hasn't been pretty.
    RealGM? Man, that place sucks major ass.

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    Yeah I agree.

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