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Unfortunately, in 2-3 seasons, its not going to matter because Lebron and the Cavs will be dominating the entire league, especially after they pick up someone like Dirk, Bosh, or Amare in 2010.
7ft centers with his touch and footwork are a rarity in this league.
What Andrew is displaying at the age of 21 is incredible given how raw he was coming into the league.
You will realize in the next 2-3 seasons why the Laker's FO has held onto this kid for so long. He's the real deal.
Unfortunately, in 2-3 seasons, its not going to matter because Lebron and the Cavs will be dominating the entire league, especially after they pick up someone like Dirk, Bosh, or Amare in 2010.
That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Why would Dirk, Bosh, or Amare ever go to Cleveland?
Seriously you are without question one of the dumbest posters on here. You give your fellow Mavs fans a bad name....and trust me that's quite a feat!
Why wouldn't they go? Cleveland will have a load of cap space, while other guys that aren't winning right now, are going to want to go win some les with Lebron. I can most definitely see Dirk going there, especially since he already said he would take a pay-cut to play with another superstar.
Just because you have Kobe's in your mouth, doesn't mean that you have to be an ignorant .
You obviously have never been to CLE.
maybe, but the truth of the principle remains the same .. Bynum is proof. Every Lakerfan, yourself included most likely, has stated how raw Bynum was initially. Can any 7 footer come in and be great? No, but having seen what Kareem did with Bynum, some teams might want to start..
Then again, there's only a few with Kareem's basketball a en and unique abilities.
Kareem also tutored another big man who came into the league raw. He's no longer playing anymore. Can you guess his name?
It's not just a matter of having the right teachers. You need to have the talent inside you to match and the willingness and ability to learn. Big men with Andrew's skillset don't grow on trees. They are the rarest kind of player in the NBA today.
While Bynum has really good length, he still has a low Defensive I.Q. He misses rotations and struggles against the pick and roll. He is an effective man to man defender because of his sheer size and length, but a quicker 5 can take advantage of him on the perimeter.
Also, its tough to compare his defensive stats or opponent PER to guys like Howard, Jefferson and Okafor. The Lakers have length throughout their lineup, and another 7'1" shotblocker playing at the 4 spot. It makes life alot tougher for the opposing C when there is another guy there waiting just as big as Bynum protecting the paint.
Guys like Howard, Okafor and Jefferson, all have Small Forwards playing Power Forward next to them. Guys like Lewis, Diaw and Craig Smith impact the numbers of the opposing C to some degree, even though they arent assigned to guard that guy.
Al Jefferson still has alot more offensive talent than Bynum and is a far better rebounder. Hes nowhere near as good a man to man defender but still blocks shots at a similar rate to Bynum so lets not act like one guy is Hakeem and the other is Oberto.
Someone said Jefferson has reached his peak already, how has he reached his peak when hes only 2 years older than Bynum? Yet Bynum has all this room to grow. Jefferson is 23. Ive never heard of anyone peak at 23.
Shaq, 15 minutes or 40 minutes, still produces alot better and more efficiently than Bynum does. I still think Nene would be considered a better player than Bynum by alot of people.
What I love about Lakers Fans is last year a typical lakers fan would be pissing his panties about how awesome Bynum is and how he's like the new Messiah of L.A.
So during the offseason the Lakers give him a hefty contract without even watching him play an entire season.
So far this season he's suckin balls , don't give me the pathetic excuse of "he's playing exactly how we want him to", no he's in not !
So last year he's the messiah
this year he's just "fitting his role perfectly" ,
yeah um u don't have that much money to just a role player, he better get his act together.
He tutored Olowakandi.
No one said they grow on trees, and you're getting way off subject. I was comparing what Howard would do under Kareem's tutelage. It's clear a lot of Bynum's moves are straight out of Kareem's book .. though post moves are generally uniform in procedure, their difficulty in a gametime situations is mainly the ability to use the right move at the right time, which requires BB IQ - something the aforementioned big man (Olowakandi) didn't have.It's not just a matter of having the right teachers. You need to have the talent inside you to match and the willingness and ability to learn. Big men with Andrew's skillset don't grow on trees. They are the rarest kind of player in the NBA today.
Vlade Divac.
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There are a lot of misconceptions about what Laker fans said Bynum would do for us. I think they got misnterpreted into blowing his abilties out of proportion.
Bynum in the lineup means between he, Gasol, and Odom, we always have two of the three on the court when the game is in doubt. Bynum > Turiaf or MBenga.
He may not impress with his statistics, but he does alter shots. He can turn it up when key matchups occur, he had nice stats vs. the Spurs. Disbelieve all you want, Drew is them missing ingredient to put us over the top. One of many ingredients, but enough to do his share and have it count in getting the W.
Really?
Yeah, Kareem retired in 1989, same year Vlade was drafted. Kareem worked with him for awhile. I don't recall how long.
yah yah, but can he do it against centers that can actually play defense
im sorry but bynum gets shut down when he plays good defender centers.
no he was a full time tutor for kwame in brown.
I dont diagree that Kareem has far better credentials but you dont have to be superstar player to be agreat coach most of the guys that are great coaches were role players ...that being said i d rather have Kareem than Ewing and Id still rather have DHO than Bynum ...BUT...it's no landslide if Bynum keeps working it could be similar to choosing SHAQ over duncan speed and power over skill ...
Bynum is not the messiah but he helps us transition from a kobe-centirc team for the next few years to a Bynum led team hopefully by then we will have drafted a Kobe replacement not sayinga HOF'er but a solid scorer we should be looking in the next few drafts a guy like Wafer and just let him develop on bench or in D-LEague ...a second round pick with raw potential ...
bynum is averaging 20.7 pts a game in the eight games since this thread was started.
which is more than tim duncan over the same period--not bad for a 21 year old who's "suckin balls".
Add in another 23 points, 14 rebounds tonight for Bynum on 67% shooting in only 28 minutes.
Big nights by Bynum/Odom/Pau means good times.
Last edited by Allanon; 01-23-2009 at 04:21 AM.
the spurs fans in this thread are stupid. You guys have no idea what a young talented 7 footer looks like when you see it. Your hate clouds your judgment. Bynum and the Lakeshow will be eating teams for lunch when the playoffs roll around. Suck it spurs fans!!
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