Obama's First Idiot Order

[ratm1221]

You guys will never learn and you'll never change. You are mean, hateful people who can't stand that someone has a different viewpoint. I've had it with all of you! I come from a generation where that type of language was NEVER used in public, and especially if there were women present. Shame on all of you.

This younger generation has no respect and no self restraint. You think you should be able to say whatever you want to whoever you want. Oh - and we're supposed to feel kindness towards the terrorist who seek to destroy this country; but it's open season to express any and all vile, hateful and obscene remarks to christians.

Kori tried to gently chide you - but you just don't get it. And that apology wasn't worth anything! You all can just have your hatefest - but there's one less christian to kick around.

You don't get it an you never will. If you don't like that the United States believes in due process and civil liberties, you need to go somewhere else. If you were a true christian, you would understand that every person has human rights. Not just those that live in the US. If you were a true christian, you wouldn't promote torture and imprisonment on unproven accusations. If your Christ were to see you, he would be sick. If you approve of torture and the indefinite suspension civil liberties, you are no different then the terrorists.

What would you do if you found out that that someone you were doing business with was providing money to terrorist and you had no idea. Here comes the federal government that sends you to Gitmo and under the Patriot Act they held you there forever, with no evidence, and no lawyer. I think you would be singing a different tune.

[Blake]

GUANTANAMO BAY: A BRIEF SKETCH

Starring:
Khalid
Mahmoud
Lieutenant
Elderly American Fundamentalist Christian Woman

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(Opening scene: Afghan countryside)

Khalid: Oh, I am a simple goat herder! I surely love my wife and children! I shall herd with all my might in this rugged countryside!

Mahmoud: Hmm... I am jealous of Khalid's goat pasture. I want it for my goats. My pasture is poor and rocky. His is full of grass.

(American humvee motors by)

Mahmoud: I have an idea!

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(Two days later, in a dimly lit filthy room)

Khalid: AIEEEEEEEEE!!!!!! WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO ME!!!!!!!

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(One week later, Afghan countryside)

Afghan guy: My goats are well-fed and happy! I am rich!

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(Two years later, someplace in Cuba)

Khalid: AIEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

(Door opens and slams)

Lieutenant: Remove the hot poker from the prisoner at once! Turns out he's innocent. Send him back to his cell. We will process his release papers.

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(One month later, Texas)

(Elderly American Fundamentalist Christian Woman reading newspaper at home)

Elderly American Fundamentalist Christian Woman: This is terrible! Why are they releasing terrorists?! If they don't have any evidence, they're probably still guilty! I mean, look at them! I hope these s die! Oh, look at the clock, time for bible study.

THE END

not bad

[clambake]

props to ES. trying to school crooks in a way she might understand.

[caribbean_spur]

These are NOT American citizens! They are not en led to the same protections afforded us under the cons ution.

I have to say, I do not like going into those heated conversations, but reading this made me choke on my food. It is very scary to think that people would not afford me the same cons utional rights because I am not an American citizen, being part of this community as long as I have been.

Some people like claiming that America is this beautiful country, with wonderful human rights laws but then would want to forget all about these same laws for the sake of safety. Failing to realize that without these rights, America would not be any better than the countries they are fighting to give the people those very rights?

How screwed up is this?

I do not know Crookshanks, but after reading this whole thread all I have to say is her reality must be messed up to believe the things she believes. And to think that because she is "Christian" and that she does not curse she must feel such a better person than any of us.... God help us!

[CavsSuperFan]

Report: Ex-Gitmo detainee joins al-Qaida in Yemen…

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090123/...yemen_al_qaida

[The Reckoning]

so are we trying to detain terrorists or shoot/bomb them???

[Duff McCartney]

The people in Guantanamo are being treated like blacks and mexicans in a court of law.....they are all guilty until proven guilty.

[Supergirl]

Report: Ex-Gitmo detainee joins al-Qaida in Yemen…

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090123/...yemen_al_qaida

"The announcement, made this week on a Web site commonly used by militants"

Not the most reliable news source.

Also, this has nothing to do with Obama's decision to close Gitmo - this person would have been released under Bush's term. It's manipulative, deceptive journalism.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Jefferson and Locke described rights to be inalienable.

Also I see quite a few people commenting on the people detained there. I know that none of you have read any of the intelligence reports about the prisoners there. Its all classified so making statements one way or anotehr is baseless.

[SnakeBoy]

so are we trying to detain terrorists or shoot/bomb them???

Either way, we are violating the rights our founding fathers gave to to everyone in the world.

[ChumpDumper]

Nobody gave everyone the rights, that's the whole point.

[Nbadan]

Either find them guilty, i.e. with due process, or release them....Dubya has tried to dance around this issue for far too long...

[DarkReign]

Either way, we are violating the rights our founding fathers gave to to everyone in the world.

Incorrect. It should be, that when in the American justice system (whther foreign or domestic) you are afforded these rights. For better or worse. No subsitutions.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Republicans heart gitmo.

[SnakeBoy]

Incorrect. It should be, that when in the American justice system (whther foreign or domestic) you are afforded these rights. For better or worse. No subsitutions.

They're not in the american justice system. How about this, Obama issues a take no prisoners order to our soldiers and then we release them all onto the battlefield and drop bombs on them. That way the ones that are terrorists get what they deserve and any innocent ones just had the misfortune of being too close to the terrorists. We can all feel bad for the innocent ones but accept that collateral damage is unavoidable.

[Winehole23]

So why is Obama the cons utional scholar tolerating another year of uncons utional detention? If he really cared about the Cons ution, wouldn't he have closed Gitmo on Tuesday?

Apparently it's not that easy. There are no comprehensive case files on the detainees; the information is spread throughout the government.

The government strategy was never geared to meeting the standards of ordinary criminal procedure. It was designed to produce kangaroo court convictions using secret evidence and untested witnesses, some of whom gave information under physical duress from their captors.

Information about the detainees must be collected from the various agencies that are holding it, before Obama can begin in earnest to sort them all out. The agencies may not wish to cooperate without securing immunity from prosecution beforehand, so I wouldn't hold my breath about the actual Gitmo closing. Unless we are continuing to outsource it, or cramming our overseas dungeons at the last minute, torture would seem to be officially verboten now.

It's about time.

[ipeefreely]

So you support concentration camps? Nazi.

One of those turds they cut loose from Git is now back on the top of the terror lists, we are talking about TERRORISTS, FUKK THEM, waterboard them, do whatever is needed to gain intel, I could careless, they are evil at its core......
They deserve no rights, they take innocent life, women, children, etc...

Grow up and think a little...

Somewhere Patton is rolling over in his grave.

[Winehole23]

If I wasn't a terrorist and went to "Git," I might come out one.

[ipeefreely]

If I wasn't a terrorist and went to "Git," I might come out one.

im tearing up,

I hope the pain was 11 on a scale of 1-10 for those mother fukkers, and if they are there, in someway shape or form they are GUILTY.....

Dont question my patriotism, Grandfather stormed Normandy, my dad was a Navy office in charge of gunnery on his heavy cruiser, its thoughts like yours that lead to events like 9/11...

I choose to live in reality, once a terrorist always a terrorist, I laughed my arse off when they killed the Hussein bros and hung Saddam, butchers...

[Winehole23]

im tearing up,

I hope the pain was 11 on a scale of 1-10 for those mother fukkers, and if they are there, in someway shape or form they are GUILTY.....

Why then were 500 men let go without charges? And why does the USG keep losing the fight to keep terrorists out of open court? When they do get there the evidence has turned out to be mostly non-probative. Meaning crap. You'd practically have to believe Boba Fett is a honest jailer to buy that all the guys there deserve to be there.

They were apprehended in the fog of war. There were bound to be a few mistakes, and we tortured guys for names. If they put the thumbscrews on me, I'd for sure use the opportunity to settle some personal scores, and if I was Boba Fett collecting $5000 cash per head for Taliban, I'd round up whoever was easiest to round up.

[Winehole23]

Dont question my patriotism, Grandfather stormed Normandy, my dad was a Navy office in charge of gunnery on his heavy cruiser, its thoughts like yours that lead to events like 9/11....

Did I?

[Wild Cobra]

If I wasn't a terrorist and went to "Git," I might come out one.

Improper incarcerations happen from time to time. Use that as a test, then you would be one to advocate no penalties, in fear of those very few improperly jailed. Eliminate law enforcement. Simply have a chaotic society.

Nothing is ever perfect. It's a chance we must all live with to ensure a better society.

[JoeChalupa]

This will take time.

[Winehole23]

Improper incarcerations happen from time to time. Use that as a test, then you would be one to advocate no penalties, in fear of those very few improperly jailed. Eliminate law enforcement. Simply have a chaotic society.

Nothing is ever perfect. It's a chance we must all live with to ensure a better society.

It's disingenuous to pretend that the only alternative to indefinite detention and torture is anarchy, when the obvious one is the criminal justice system. Prosecute em all. I'm ok with that.

What I do have a problem with is the suggestion that because we are imperfect we should resign ourselves to mistakes. Where criminal justice is involved these mistakes could not be more catastrophic: they can rob innocent people of their liberty and their lives. In the terrorist gulag, it can get even worse.

To wave this off in advance as a necessary sacrifice for law and order seems callous and cruel in its nonchalance.

My point was, one's sublime appreciation of necessary sacrifices may change considerably, when you are the sacrifice.

[Shastafarian]

im tearing up,

I hope the pain was 11 on a scale of 1-10 for those mother fukkers, and if they are there, in someway shape or form they are GUILTY.....

Dont question my patriotism, Grandfather stormed Normandy, my dad was a Navy office in charge of gunnery on his heavy cruiser, its thoughts like yours that lead to events like 9/11...

I choose to live in reality, once a terrorist always a terrorist, I laughed my arse off when they killed the Hussein bros and hung Saddam, butchers...

So I take it you were/are not in the military?