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Did someone seriously write that Davis is better than Kidd? Baron Davis is . And if you see him, tell that mother er that Shank said that .
Someone hasn't been doing their homework. Terry is our most clutch player. A while back they mentioned a stat during a game, Terry was 2nd in the league in fourth quarter field goals.
Did someone seriously write that Davis is better than Kidd? Baron Davis is . And if you see him, tell that mother er that Shank said that .
Didn't last long. Parker's pretty much had his way with Harris as a Net. Last night's performance was rather efficient.
Our window was closing before the Kidd trade, anyway. Or was already sealed shut.
The Mavs had 3 years in the Dirk era where they were capable of winning a championship: 2003, 2006, and 2007.
Well in 2003 we did have a nice little run with our run and gun, no D and rebounding ways... caught a break with C-Webb's injury... but come WCF our beloved Dirk got injured and we had to witness Kerr hit a bunch of bull 4th quarter shots. Oh well, can't do anything about injuries.
In 2006 we were beneficiaries of: Amare being injured, Sarver being a dumbass, Dwight Howard/CP3/D Will/Roy were non factors, and Kobe Bryant and Lebron James were on ty rosters. Only 1 team we had to worry about, the Spurs. And we caught some breaks and beat them in OT. In the Finals, we were the better team but were slayed by absolute bull whistles and absolute bull shots. Ugh.
In 2007, more or less all of the above held constant. Kobe and Lebron were still on ty rosters, Dwight/CP3/Deron/Roy were non factors, now all we had to worry about was the Suns and Spurs. We ran into the ing W's in the 1st round though, a team that had won 6 of the last 7 against us, and their fluky bull shooting continued throughout the series and we folded in game 6. It was a miserable performance by our beloved Mavs, and one always ponders what happens if the Clippers or Lakers get that 8th seed. Do we lose to the Jazz/Spurs anyway? Do we go on to the Finals and get slayed by the King? Or would we have won the whole damn thing? These are questions we ponder about our beloved Mavs, but it's moot.
Well that was it, that was our window. That's it. Now Lebron does not have a ty roster, and neither does Kobe. Now CP3 and Dwight Howard are factors, and the Spurs are still around. The Suns are done, but they've been replaced by a slew of young superstars. And in a few years, you gotta start worrying about the Blazers, maybe even the Thunder. The Big 3 formed in Boston. That's it, it was over for our beloved Mavs, we blew/got ed out of our chance and didn't add much talent to our team. Not only that, Dirk is no longer performing at an MVP level. a very high level, but nothing along the lines of 50/90/40, which is probably what we'd need out of him just to have a shot. We miss our beloved Van horn, Stackhouse, Daniels, etc... we didn't add talent.
Now who do we have to worry about? The Lakers... the Celtics... the Cavs... the Magic... the Spurs... the Nuggets.... Hornets... Rockets. So many teams are either on the same level than us, or a class ahead of us. And there doesn't seem to be a realistic trade out there that could vault us into contention, not one, and it breaks GHAZI's heart
Well because from what I have seen Harris doesn't bother with defense anymore. He made the leap, and now thinks defense is for role players. But with the Mavs had had to defend in order to be in the floor. And he was a much larger pain to deal with when he was playing in a team with Dirk, Jet, and a motivated Howard, rather than by himself on offense.
Ghazi, he Warriors made some tough shots, especially Baron in game 6, but they had the tempo they wanted all series long. We never got a handle of them, and it was like that for two straight seasons against them. They were our kryptonite if there ever was one, even at a time when the Mavs were toying with the rest of the league. They deserved that victory against us. Please accept that and move on.
There was nothing fluky, lucky, bull y about that.
In that case, why are they still floundering around in mediocrity instead of starting the inevitable rebuilding process soon.Well that was it, that was our window. That's it. Now Lebron does not have a ty roster, and neither does Kobe. Now CP3 and Dwight Howard are factors, and the Spurs are still around. The Suns are done, but they've been replaced by a slew of young superstars. And in a few years, you gotta start worrying about the Blazers, maybe even the Thunder. The Big 3 formed in Boston. That's it, it was over for our beloved Mavs, we blew/got ed out of our chance and didn't add much talent to our team. Not only that, Dirk is no longer performing at an MVP level. a very high level, but nothing along the lines of 50/90/40, which is probably what we'd need out of him just to have a shot. We miss our beloved Van horn, Stackhouse, Daniels, etc... we didn't add talent.
Now who do we have to worry about? The Lakers... the Celtics... the Cavs... the Magic... the Spurs... the Nuggets.... Hornets... Rockets. So many teams are either on the same level than us, or a class ahead of us. And there doesn't seem to be a realistic trade out there that could vault us into contention, not one, and it breaks GHAZI's heart
So we were never that "great" to begin with. We had a really good team in 2007, but the fact that we allowed the Warriors to hit a bunch of fluky bull shots showed we lacked the stuff of champions.
Same in 2006, we weren't "actually" a championship team, we just caught a lot of breaks, we capitalized on them until the Cheat hit a bunch of BS shots and whistles.
It just doesn't make sense at the end of the day, is Dirk good enough to be the #1 on a le team? JET the #2? J-Ho the #3? I would say no to all 3.
Dirk is really good, one of the best PF's ever and a hall of famer, but he's not on the level of guys like Duncan, Shaqtus, Jordan, Hakeem. You need one of "those guys" to win a le, and Dirk isn't that. The day Dirk is the 2nd best player on a team though is trouble for the league, if that ever occurs.
But "those guys" don't grow on trees, they come once in a blue moon. That's why 15 franchises still do not have championships, and thats why all the championships seem to be concentrated among a select few franchises. They were fortunate enough to land one of "those guys", we weren't. But we will love our Mavs until the end of time.
I dunno
But I don't look forward to rebuilding, quite frankly from a fan's perspective I'd rather be mediocre than rebuilding. There's no guarantee of a le from rebuilding anyway, you could wind up like the Blazers are now with a bright future (but what if their future ends up being like the Kings, Mavs, and Blazers of earlier this decade? A string of 50+ win seasons but no cigar), or you could wind up like the Queens, T-Wolves, or like the Bulls post-MJ.
Who are we gonna rebuild around anyway? the first essential ingredient is a superstar. If anyone has a young franchise player, they won't give him up to us. Anyone good coming out of college in the next few years? Blake ing Griffin? Stephon Curry? Ricky Rubio? Derozan? yeah... don't think these guys are franchise players.
Personally I think we're ed, Lebron is only 24. The league is DOOMED!
No one near that level was on the 2004 pistons, the 2008 Celtics, etc. It takes a great team to win it all, not necessarily superstars, and the 2006-2007 mavs were great. Things just didn't go our way
You can win with a "1.5" like Dirk but only with the right supporting cast, which does not equal Erica dampier as your low post presence and Mr. 2.2 points-in-the-Fourth-Quarter as your second best player. That's not to say that Dirk didn't up some of the chances either, but now that window is firmly shut and he is the only hope for this sinking team.
Yeah, but the 2004 Pistons as we all know were fluke champions.
And the 2008 Celtics are very rare, a team with THREE hall of famers. the 2006 team had 1 HoF, our beloved DIrk. Now we have 2 hall of famers, but Kidd, while still very effective, is past his prime.
Also, the 2008 Celtics are fluke champions, as shall be proven when they are dethroned this year.
Indeed you can! But it's very difficult and requires a lot of luck.
The 2004 Pistons who we all know are fluke champions benefited from: Fakeshow dysfunction, a fluky bull .4 shot, and the Pacers getting raped by injuries.
Our beloved '06 team had some breaks, which is why it was in a position to win a le with a "1.5" in the first place, but of course the Stern mafia decided D-Whistle the wheelchair primadonna was more worthy of hoisting the Larry than our beloved Dirk.
The 2008 Celtics didn't have a true superstar, but it was just really stacked. a solid, veteran bench... THREE hall of famers, decent PG play even... truly a rarity, and even then, they needed fluke BS shots in the 4th Q against the Cavs.
Many people on the board will disagree with you here. That Piston team had some of the best team d ever
The Spurs defense was better that year, the Spurs were probably the best team in the league but got slain by the fluke bull .4 shot.
Davis + Kaman > Kidd
MAVS ARE MORONS.
this trade would have benefits for BOTH teams.
Clips would have made cap room and got rid of one of the millions of bigs they have.
Mavs are obviously struggling and would benefit from getting two players that can contribute. At least Baron would be playing on a decent team (production goes up??)
Cuban is a moron.
Why didn't clips just offer Camby instead of Kaman??? Wouldn't they want the younger Camby (ie Kaman)??
i hope so too
1. Injury proneMAVS ARE MORONS.
this trade would have benefits for BOTH teams.
Clips would have made cap room and got rid of one of the millions of bigs they have.
Mavs are obviously struggling and would benefit from getting two players that can contribute. At least Baron would be playing on a decent team (production goes up??)
Cuban is a moron.
Why didn't clips just offer Camby instead of Kaman??? Wouldn't they want the younger Camby (ie Kaman)??
i hope so too
2. Expensive as
3. No guarantee that we would win a le, let alone be a contender
4. We love our ing team
the mavs are dirt! they should of never got rid of nash and/or devin harris... and lol erica dampier so fun to watch run up and down the floor! btw i was a mavs fan till they got stackhouse and lost nash!
Dampier grabbed 16 rebounds tonight.
our team is not good enough to guarantee the le but we still have a chance to contend and win it.
That's about all I can think of too. Well that and Cuban perhaps being gun-shy about making large mid-season trades now.
Roflmao, good one Allan. Cuban's revolutionary stats allready pay first divedence.
I agree with Brick and Mavs>Spurs on two counts here.
The 04 Pistons were really really really good. There was nothing fluky about that team. Too bad Rip never played at the level he did that year. He killed Artest in the ECF, and it was the Pistons, not the Pacers, who had injury problems (Rasheed having various foot issues).
You can win with Dirk, or as now we are starting to call them 1.5 type players. History proves it. But you need to put a good cast around them, and the Mavs had it in 06. And then they allowed the talent level to erode through stupid trades. It began with the Marquis for Croshere, I never understood that one, especially since Quis was really good at attacking the basket, something which we know now wings need to do in a team with Dirk.
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Mavs really want/need Kaman or a guy that plays the post like him. Davis would be dead weight and a bad contract to boot. So it's kind of tough to rate this trade proposal. I'm fairly sure if the offer was for Kaman only, Cubes would have taken it more seriously. Baron at his best is a great player, and much better than the current version of Kidd. The problem is that he keeps getting injured, and I think his head is more outside the game than into it these days. I just don't know what other bigs Dallas could grab though. When Brand was available, Donnie didn't make a move. Kaman has been on the trading block for a bit now, and no dice. Are they waiting for Bosh in 2010? There's no guarantee they'll land him. I just don't know what the FO is thinking. Do they really think they can win without a low post threat out there?
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