Being a lifelong urban weenie myself, the ominous portents of material scarcity and social chaos of late have caused your point to play upon my imagination and not in a pleasant way.
Best I could come up with so far was a backyard garden and pickle buckets, plus an emergency cache. Of course, that won't do me much good where I am if cities become free-fire kill zones.
There is much to be said for the advantages of the ranchito, during the big social breakdown.
Yeah, a 1" rain on 2000 sq ft. will give you about 1500 gallons. Thats why I went with 20K of storage...when you get those aberrant 5"-10" rains you gotta be able to store it.
as I said...this is kind of an armegeddon system and I'm currently just using it for watering plants/yard around the house...the house is actually run off the well.
and guns. lots of guns and bullets.
Except for the fact that millions of starving weenies can easily walk 20 or 30 miles per day, if not drive that far in an hour.
You would need to quite literally either be totally hidden or a fortress capable of fending off hundreds of attackers armed with small arms and/or some kind of simple explosives.
If you are within 120 miles of a major city in such a situation, you will be overrun.
Best to find a VERY isolated area far from main roads and major cities. The dakotas, south central canada, wyoming and montana would do it.
The only good thing to come out of such a scenario would be an end to the deer populations that have become total pests. Those little tasty treats would be the first to go. yummy.
Well thought-out redundency, exactly what I would do.
If the big social meltdown does come, my army training would come in very handy, as would my good sense of economics/accounting (barter woudl still be within that realm). I would plan to be very useful to people like CC if I didn't already have my own farm.
Oil futures were pushing up the prices until it wasn't certain that the prices were going to go up. As you mentioned, people who trade oil for a living don't care how long it takes to develop a field, they just care about what the price is going to be over the short term, and they can affect the prices immediately, as they did when the ban was lifted, so all your other information is completely irrelevant. Again, the facts are there. If this were a case of post hoc/propter hoc on my part, then you should have no trouble proving it wrong. You have 20/20 hindsight, so explain this:
The ban was lifted on July 14.
The burden of proof is not on me to show that it isn't.Oil futures were pushing up the prices until it wasn't certain that the prices were going to go up. As you mentioned, people who trade oil for a living don't care how long it takes to develop a field, they just care about what the price is going to be over the short term, and they can affect the prices immediately, as they did when the ban was lifted, so all your other information is completely irrelevant. Again, the facts are there. If this were a case of post hoc/propter hoc on my part, then you should have no trouble proving it wrong. You have 20/20 hindsight, so explain this:
The ban was lifted on July 14.
This is YOUR claim, YOUR burden of proof.
Logically, we can only assume the opposite, until you can prove that the collapse in oil prices was, as you say, directly caused by the decision.
The only thing you have is coincidental timing, and that is the same level of proof as washing my car causing it to rain. I can find a graph showing a rapid uptick in pirate attacks at that time. Should we then assume pirates were waiting on that decision as well?
I have even outlined what you needed to prove your assertion. Get cracking.
The US produces approximately 10% of global oil supplies.
If we announce a decision that *might*, 4 to 5 years down the road, bump our production up by 10%, adding perhaps 1% to the global supply, again 4 to 5 years down the road, is it logical that traders who are speculating about the global price of oil 30-60 days from now, would really give a flying about that announcement?
Sorry charlie, but you can't even assume a fairly reasonable chunk of support for that assertion.
Which would be more likely to influence 30-60 day futures:
OPEC announces commitment to keep pumping, or increase production with the capacity to do so immediately
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The US announces that it *might* ramp up production slightly in 4 to 5 years?
Took a picture of one of the "green" (electric) ranch vehicles this weekend.
Yes. Although I doubt there'll be much of a need for communications in that world... I better learn a better trade skill for the Mad Max days to comeI take it your social club will look somethign like this?
I will be communicating with that little black thing in the gun rack...
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Still waiting on OV to prove his assertion.
I want to see verifiable quotes from oil futures traders that outline the reasons why they sold out of oil.
There was a massive, probably speculative, run-up in oil futures, and it had to come crashing back sooner or later. Personally I would guess that the thing that really tipped it was the first indications that the US economy was slowing.
Variances US oil production 4 years+ down the road means much less to the price point of oil 30-60 days out than variances in US oil consumption 90 days out.
Remember US oil production =10% of market
US oil consumption 25% of market (might want to double check on that%).
Heh, a Mark 1 Combat Golf Cart, mobile crewed weapons deployment system?
I will be communicating with that little black thing in the gun rack...
M-1 CGC.
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Because domestic drilling is stupid and pointless.
This thread fails to pay attention to the price of oil!
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Half the time I don't understand why someone says someone else failed. Since they explain why, and expect me to be psychic.
I say they fail instead.
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I spent quite a few rather detailed posts in the intervening pages explaining precisely how I think "drill here, drill now" is a rallying cry for idiots.
Heh, since "Epic fail guy" posted why he thinks this thread is epic fail, I thought I would resort to character (Random Guy, GET IT?! HA!) and post a random lottery pick number from random.org (no affiliation)
Personally though, I don't see what exactly you where trying to say with your previous post.
Is that the shot when he's professing his love to Mrs. Troy to get her back from the Feringi?
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