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    Delay Hypocrisy: The GOP Using The Schiavo Case For Political Gain. Who Cries for Sun Hudson?

    This is a story of two people who could not be more different, while at the same time, be so alike. More importantly, it is a story about a of a politician who genuinely does not care about either, but shows it in completely different ways. This is a story about hypocrisy and how Tom Delay and the Republican Party embody that principle.

    The first person in this sad story is named Terry Schiavo. Most people have heard about Mrs. Schiavo because she has been in the headlines on several occasions, for her current predicament. Fifteen years ago, Mrs. Schiavo suffered a heart attack and fell into a coma, at the shockingly young age of 26. Today, Mrs. Schiavo is 41, still alive due to medical advances that sustain her through machinery. On one side of this story about Mrs. Schiavo is her husband and legal guardian, Michael. Michael Schiavo insists that Terri would never want to live this way, kept alive only by machinery. He has been fighting the legal battle to have her feeding tube removed, which would ensure her passing away. On the other side of this battle is the family of Terri Schiavo, who do not wish to see their daughter/sister die, and in fact view Michael as wishing to essentially “starve her to death.”

    Recently, Michael Schiavo won a court battle that allowed the removal of the feeding tube for his wife. Since the starvation process would take some time, Terri’s family immediately went back to try and fight the legality of this decision. What they got, was support from an unexpected source. Tom Delay and the GOP have now seized upon this story and are using it to further their own agenda and to paint their opponents, the democrats, in an awkward position. In a feeble attempt to stop the removal of the feeding tube, Delay tried to subpoena Terri to appear and testify before Congress. An obvious publicity stunt, since Terri Schiavo has not spoken in 15 years, the attempt failed and the tube was removed. Undeterred, Delay vowed to continue to fight this fight, declaring the court’s decision a “moral and legal tragedy” and accusing the judge of “trying to kill Terri for 4 1/2 years." snip

    Terri Schiavo is a real person and deserves better than to be treated as a political football to further the cause of the GOP. That is hypocrisy. This is the same hypocrisy that says that George Bush believes in a “culture of life” while waging war to no end. It is the same hypocrisy that sees so many people in the right-to-life movement cross-enrolled in the National Rifle Association supporting armor piercing bullets for “hunters”. It is the same hypocrisy that sees a man such as Tom Delay, devoid of ethics; decrying the ethical state of affairs in the Terri Schiavo case at the very same instant they are removing the tube from Sun Hudson, killing him.

    Where is the outrage for Sun Hudson? Who cries for Sun Hudson? Wasn’t the life of Sun Hudson as important as the life of Terri Schiavo? The easy answer is yes. Unfortunately, the truthful answer is the life of Sun Hudson was just not as politically valuable. That should cause us all to at least pause for a moment and realize that the value of life should never be measured politically.
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    Why is NBAdan using the story of Bush fighting for Schiavo's life for political gain?

    By the way, I support removing the tube.

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    Chris, I think the appropriate question is why is Bush and the congressional GOP using it for political gain. Who gives a what Dan does.

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    I agree.

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    Chris, I think the appropriate question is why is Bush and the congressional GOP using it for political gain. Who gives a what Dan does.
    Who said they are using it for political gain? It's a very hot issue to be taking one side over another. Dan would like to point this out as political gain, and yet him pointing that out is in and of itself, an argument for political gain.

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    Congress has no place in this case.
    The Florida Courts have already sided with the husband on a vote of I believe 7-0 and of those 7 judges, 4 were appointed by Jeb Bush.
    Gee so Bush's brother appointed people who may not have the exact same views as Bush? What a concept! If they all voted for the family against the husband, you would be all over that saying Bush influenced them since they're his brother's appointees.

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    There is so much more information coming out about this case - the courts need to let Terri live just to have enough time to sort out all the new information.

    The nurses' affidavits are disturbing and they should not be just dismissed out of hand.

    Her "husband" is a cold, unfeeling SOB - he said Terri is not being starved to death, this is just a natural occurance and it is painless. If he's so sure of that, how about if he goes without any food or water for as long as it takes for Terri to die - and then see how painless it is!!

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    Are you not so sure of it?

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    Who said they are using it for political gain? It's a very hot issue to be taking one side over another. Dan would like to point this out as political gain, and yet him pointing that out is in and of itself, an argument for political gain.
    What motives do you think congressmen from entirely different states a president with a more than full plate have Chris?

    They've all been invited down to Florida to see the woman. Still waiting for the first one to make time.

    There was no place for the federal government in this case, and they wrote specific laws simply for the purpose of gaining attention in the media. In other words, political gain.

    I'm much more concerned that congress can't focus on things that matter and instead tend to spend their time on issues that are defined by the media and not nessecarily the well being of the country. Maybe inbetween baseball hearings and emergency sessions that step all over states rights they can find time to fix real problems that need fixing.

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    Gotcha......although it looks like we aren't going to agree in this debate at all except to say it is unfortunate for all sides....especially Terri Schiavo.....This may sound unkind....but it may have been better for her to have passed away from the initial stroke.

    I equate her condition to someone with Cerebral Palsy or Muscular Dystrophy...does this mean if a spouse wanted to he could do the same to someone suffering those complications?.....she breathes on her own....and her heart needs no assistance......I just think what they are doing to her is just plain wrong.....I don't see anyone changing my mind....sorry.....

    Whatever happens....we must keep her in our thoughts and prayers.

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    There is so much more information coming out about this case - the courts need to let Terri live just to have enough time to sort out all the new information.

    The nurses' affidavits are disturbing and they should not be just dismissed out of hand.

    Her "husband" is a cold, unfeeling SOB - he said Terri is not being starved to death, this is just a natural occurance and it is painless. If he's so sure of that, how about if he goes without any food or water for as long as it takes for Terri to die - and then see how painless it is!!
    Her doctors say she isn't feeling anything, not her husband.

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    There is so much more information coming out about this case - the courts need to let Terri live just to have enough time to sort out all the new information.

    The nurses' affidavits are disturbing and they should not be just dismissed out of hand.

    Her "husband" is a cold, unfeeling SOB - he said Terri is not being starved to death, this is just a natural occurance and it is painless. If he's so sure of that, how about if he goes without any food or water for as long as it takes for Terri to die - and then see how painless it is!!

    WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG.

    This case is a prime example of people out there forming opinions with half the story.

    It has been going on for 7 years! The courts have seen all of the evidence, and have ruled that Terri would not want to be kept alive in this condition.

    Secondly, the husband no longer has any say so. The courts have become the ones carrying this out. They have ruled, and have been appealed dozens of times, with the same result each time! If the husband wanted to stop it, he can't.

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    People need to understand that this is not the husbands doing, but the courts interpretation wanted based on the testimony of many people, not only the husband.

    This has stood up in court for years. The parents have exhausted all means. If anything, the parents have been the selfish ones keeping Terri alive at their wishes and not hers.

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    I don't see anyone changing my mind....sorry.....
    nor should they try. Well said.

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    Secondly, the husband no longer has any say so. The courts have become the ones carrying this out. They have ruled, and have been appealed dozens of times, with the same result each time! If the husband wanted to stop it, he can't.
    Isn't the husband recognized by law as her legal guardian? If that is the case, can they not let him have a say so? Curious.

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    No, he turned that power over to the state 7 years ago when they had the trial to decide what Terri wanted.

    Because he was in disagreement with the parents, they had a trial in order to determine what Terri wanted.

    The court determined she would not want to be kept alive, and therefore should have the feeding tube removed. It then became the courts responsiblity to make sure this happend.

    The delay has been because the parents had a right to appeal the decison, and they have, numerous times with the same result.

    However, the fact is that the court was asked to determine and carry out Terri's wishes. It no longer has anything to do with the husband. It hasn't for over 7 years!

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    Ahh. Fair enough. So her husband wanted to carry out those wishes, , the parents however wanted their way and decided to ignore hubby. Went to court....court ruled in favor of the hubby, mom and dad still not getting their way so let's drag this for seven years and gets hundreds of people involved who think "suffering a stroke" is a bad day on the golf course and completely ignore the wishes of the lady suffering and her spouse.

    God Bless America.

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    Exactly

    Do you see why this shouldn't even be discussed by the national government?

    It has nothing to do with her ability to recover, but rather the fact that court has ruled she wouldn't want to!

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    Relax bro.

    I have been on your side this entire time. I just had a question about the hubby.

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    Yeah, but people just don't know whats going on in this case. They really don't.

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    you are correct sir.

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    Travis,I'll respond to the court issue later tonight. I havne't forgotten.

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    "The court determined she would not want to be kept alive,..."
    Based, in large part (in fact, almost solely), on the husband's testimony regarding a conversation he and his wife had while watching television one evening. A conversation to which there were no other parties or witnesses.

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    Based, in large part (in fact, almost solely), on the husband's testimony regarding a conversation he and his wife had while watching television one evening. A conversation to which there were no other parties or witnesses.

    In addition to other testimony as well, by other people. If the evidence is so flimsy, why have all the appeals ruled in favor of the initial ruling?

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    In addition to other testimony as well, by other people. If the evidence is so flimsy, why have all the appeals ruled in favor of the initial ruling?
    Because they're stupid? Or Liberal? I'm sorry, that was redundant.

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