Joey "the " Crawford reffing tonight

[samikeyp]

What will support an injunction -- it's particularly hard to make that argument when the Spurs were 2-1 with Joey calling games this season. I don't have time to research it now, but I'm pretty sure that they were also 2-1 in Crawford-called games last season. Pretty tough to say the guy is screwing you when you win most of the time.

The Spurs, I'm sure, expressed concerns to the league. But the league can't make exceptions just for the Spurs. Whether Spurs fans want to believe it or not, Joey Crawford is consistently among the best officials in the game. His calls tend to be very accurate and, in my observations, he seems to be very consistent. He has a personal issue with a player; while that's problematic, he has been punished for it (losing an entire playoffs worth of extra checks is a pretty substantial penalty) and the league has re-evaluated his fitness to call games. Clearly, the league has decided that Joey is fit for the job. We don't like it, perhaps, and we're now inclined to read bias into all that Joey does, but at the end of the day, he keeps his job because notwithstanding our views, he's actually really good at it.

There you go again, injecting logic into the conversation.

[hater]

He has a personal issue with a player; while that's problematic, he has been punished for it (losing an entire playoffs worth of extra checks is a pretty substantial penalty)

not 100% correct. Stern was not going to "punish" him. He gave him the choice to apologize for his behaviour. But Joey, being a stuborn old , said " no, I am not apologizing. I did nothing wrong". So NBA had no choice but to suspend him. In other words, the "suspension" was not the NBA's choice. It was Joey's.

and the league has re-evaluated his fitness to call games.

is there any proof of this?

I think the SPurs have a very good argument to file a complaint or something like that. But the problem is that the Spurs are a class organization and decide to take the high road. They are smart as well because they could be critizized and hated even more by everyone. Not to mention they will get on the blacklist of every other ref out there.

[BUMP]

[wuss cones]

I like Joey he's one of the best

[FromWayDowntown]

not 100% correct. Stern was not going to "punish" him. He gave him the choice to apologize for his behaviour. But Joey, being a stuborn old , said " no, I am not apologizing. I did nothing wrong". So NBA had no choice but to suspend him. In other words, the "suspension" was not the NBA's choice. It was Joey's.

I still think of that as a punishment, however avoidable it might have been, and it's one that the league imposed upon him, regardless of whether he led the league to do it.

Losing 4 rounds of playoff checks is a pretty stiff punishment, I'm sure. I'd guess it's probably in the neighborhood of $100,000.

is there any proof of this?

You mean other than the fact that Stern said that Joey's fitness to officiate would be re-evaluated after the 2007 playoffs and that for the start of the 2007-08 season, Joey had been re-instated?

I think the SPurs have a very good argument to file a complaint or something like that. But the problem is that the Spurs are a class organization and decide to take the high road. They are smart as well because they could be critizized and hated even more by everyone. Not to mention they will get on the blacklist of every other ref out there.

Again, complaining rings pretty hollow when you still win most of the games the guy calls. It's like arguing that someone should lose his job just because he has a bad at ude, even though that at ude doesn't ultimately affect the way he does his job. Until you can conclusively prove that Joey has intentionally done things to undermine the Spurs' hopes of winning -- and has caused the Spurs to lose games -- I'm not really sure there's much to complain about. The league took care of the bad no-call at the end of Game 4 of the 08 WCF, but if that had been Steve Javie instead of Joey Crawford, the claims of fix wouldn't exist here.

[DPG21920]

Don't mock me a-hole, I know you don't like my humor!

[samikeyp]

If the Spurs play like they are capable of playing (see Game 2) whomever is officiating will not matter. They played good defense, took care of the ball and controlled the boards. They do that, they win. Simple as that.

[FromWayDowntown]

If the Spurs play like they are capable of playing (see Game 2) whomever is officiating will not matter. They played good defense, took care of the ball and controlled the boards. They do that, they win. Simple as that.

Come on, Mikey. Quit oversimplifying things. We all know, by now, that the NBA is grounded in conspiracies and not compe iton; the league's favored, big-market franchises ALWAYS win and do so only because the league's officials give them better calls and screw over the small-market clubs.

It's really silly to think that something so trite as "playing well" could ever actually mean something in the NBA Playoffs.

Sheesh.

[samikeyp]

Come on, Mikey. Quit oversimplifying things. We all know, by now, that the NBA is grounded in conspiracies and not compe iton; the league's favored, big-market franchises ALWAYS win and do so only because the league's officials give them better calls and screw over the small-market clubs.

It's really silly to think that something so trite as "playing well" could ever actually mean something in the NBA Playoffs.

Sheesh.

My bad.

[Obstructed_View]

By the way, that Kenyon Martin video is misleading. KMart was doing that up and down the floor in the minutes leading up to that, and Joey told him to knock it off. He went right back and did it again. I was watching that game and absolutely knew Martin was going to get ejected exactly when he did. Billups did commit a foul and the Barry foul, as discussed elsewhere, could be considered a make up call. That leaves the one big mistake, for which he was suspended.

[spursfan1000]

What a quincidence.

[RiverwalkParade]

Just go to the Marriott off of 114 near the airport after the game if Crawford pulls a "Joey" on us tonight. I hear that's where he likes to go for drinks after the game.

[DPG21920]

Just go to the Marriott off of 114 near the airport after the game if Crawford pulls a "Joey" on us tonight. I hear that's where he likes to go for drinks after the game.

That is just creepy bro. Plus Joey will beat anyone's arse.

[jdev82]

what is our record against joey c since tims ejection?

[Obstructed_View]

That is just creepy bro. Plus Joey will beat anyone's arse.

I think I could take him, but what good would it do? "Spurs Fan Beats up Joey Crawford in Bar" Yeah, that'll get him calling the games fairly.

[LEONARD]

Only Spurs fans would be sitting at their computer all day hitting refresh to find out who the refs are...

[DPG21920]

I think I could take him, but what good would it do? "Spurs Fan Beats up Joey Crawford in Bar" Yeah, that'll get him calling the games fairly.

You think you could take him???

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[Obstructed_View]

I might not with Chiklis, since he's only 46. Crawford is almost 60. I don't think either of them is over 5'9".

[ElNono]

Come on, Mikey. Quit oversimplifying things. We all know, by now, that the NBA is grounded in conspiracies and not compe iton; the league's favored, big-market franchises ALWAYS win and do so only because the league's officials give them better calls and screw over the small-market clubs.

It's really silly to think that something so trite as "playing well" could ever actually mean something in the NBA Playoffs.

Sheesh.

I knew it! I bet you Stern was also involved in 9/11...

[Spursfan092120]

So THAT'S why Dallas is favored by 5

[Cry Havoc]

You think you could take him???

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Depends on how much martial arts training he's had. I'll breakdance fight him!

On the other hand, I'll bet Duncan could destroy him, though.

[rascal]

they securely have a choice, they can make a noise against it and they even can get from court of law an injunction against Joey Crawford refereeing their games - they have legitimate right (in any other place in the world if a ref had been convicted in what Joey Crawford was convicted this ref will never be refereeing sport for ever.

No way is that possible.

[LEONARD]

Damn you Joey!!