Past Trade Target: Stephen Jackson

[HarlemHeat37]

You don't even have to look at what Nelson says..this is exactly what I said when the rumors came up..NOBODY is going to offer anything of value to get Stephen Jackson, outside of possibly offering expiring contracts..

he's getting older, his contract runs too long..the only teams that would possibly be willing to take him on are contenders, or teams that are 1 move on the perimeter away from contending..

Looking at the potential candidates..Cleveland doesn't have anything to offer from a "value" perspective, LA isn't trading away Bynum, Dallas has nothing, Denver has nothing, Boston isn't giving Rondo or Perkins, Portland isn't trading any of their young guys(especially since they've been self-conscience about their image since the JailBlazer days, so they won't take somebody of Jax' character), Orlando isn't giving Nelson and they're already too deep on the wing..

So even if it actually took some value to get Jackson, which it doesn't, then there isn't even really a team that can offer anything better than the Spurs..Bonner and Finley would actually be very useful in Golden State's system, Bonner as a dream player for Nelson, and Finley as a leader..

Golden State has no option here..if they're thinking logically, then all they wanna do is get out of Jackson's contract obligations, so they'll take any offer which gets rid of him..if we give them that offer, Jackson will be in San Antonio the next day..

It's just a matter of paying him significant $ at an old age, which is what would happen later on in this contract..

If you ask me if I would take Bonner+Finley for Jackson, I'd do it in a heartbeat..but it's not my money here..I just don't believe it's realistically going to happen, especially at this point in time..maybe at the deadline..that offer would easily do it though..

[DPG21920]

You don't even have to look at what Nelson says..this is exactly what I said when the rumors came up..NOBODY is going to offer anything of value to get Stephen Jackson, outside of possibly offering expiring contracts..

Agreed, that is what everyone has said.

he's getting older, his contract runs too long..the only teams that would possibly be willing to take him on are contenders, or teams that are 1 move on the perimeter away from contending..

Agreed.

Looking at the potential candidates..Cleveland doesn't have anything to offer from a "value" perspective, LA isn't trading away Bynum, Dallas has nothing, Denver has nothing, Boston isn't giving Rondo or Perkins, Portland isn't trading any of their young guys(especially since they've been self-conscience about their image since the JailBlazer days, so they won't take somebody of Jax' character), Orlando isn't giving Nelson and they're already too deep on the wing..

Cleavland: They have offers they can put together that fit positional wise, expiring wise and "talent" wise. Perhaps Delonte West (Only 500K is guaranteed next season), JJ Hickson (young big with team option next year) and Danny Green (who could be a decent role player down the road with an unguaranteed contract) for Jax? Not a bad offer and makes the Cavs a lot better.

Now would Cleavland take on an extra 1.5M this year and then his contract beyond?

Lakers: They have Kobe at SG and Ron at SF, I doubt there would be enough minutes there for them to take on Jax contract.

Dallas: They do have Josh Howard to trade. If Josh is struggling to play SG with Marion there, Jax might be an appealing option (although J-Ho is much younger and has a team option for next season). No question Jax is better right now.

I am not sure when Marion can be traded, but Marion for Jax works I believe and no question Jax is better. Similar contracts as well. From a talent standpoint, getting Marion would be about as good as they could hope for.

I agree with the other teams.

So even if it actually took some value to get Jackson, which it doesn't, then there isn't even really a team that can offer anything better than the Spurs..Bonner and Finley would actually be very useful in Golden State's system, Bonner as a dream player for Nelson, and Finley as a leader..

Golden State has no option here..if they're thinking logically, then all they wanna do is get out of Jackson's contract obligations, so they'll take any offer which gets rid of him..if we give them that offer, Jackson will be in San Antonio the next day..

It's just a matter of paying him significant $ at an old age, which is what would happen later on in this contract..

If you ask me if I would take Bonner+Finley for Jackson, I'd do it in a heartbeat..but it's not my money here..I just don't believe it's realistically going to happen, especially at this point in time..maybe at the deadline..that offer would easily do it though..

Agree here as well for the most part, but I think some of the teams you mentioned have the tools to get a deal done if they wanted to.

[HarlemHeat37]

Oh, I definitely agree that they can make trades from a talent perspective, I just don't think they would do it..

I don't see Cleveland moving Hickson at all, since reports have been that they're very high on him, and the only way I see them moving West is if the weapons charge becomes a huge thing..I don't think they would cave in for Golden State's demands, since everybody knows the Warriors don't really have much to work with when it comes to Jackson..

I don't think Golden State would take on Marion, his game is going to continue to decline, and they'll just have to take on his contract for a long time..I agree that they would take Howard though, but I don't know if Dallas would make that move..

I honestly feel like our deal would be the best offer..they would be getting expiring contracts that could help them continue to rebuild, and also getting 2 useful players in their system..

Do you guys think there would be any chance of the FO taking ANOTHER contract like that?..

[DPG21920]

I don't. I wish it would happen, but it won't.

[nkdlunch]

I am very confident Spurs can grab him if they can convince GS and Jax himself. Which does not seem that hard.


Bonner, Finley + Mahinmi for Jax

[nkdlunch]

what a bad ass team:

TP/Hill
Manu/Mason
RJ/Jax
Duncan/Blair
Mcdyess/Ratliff/Jones

[iilluzioN]

S.JAX IS A DIRK/DALLAS KILLER! SIGN HIM!!!

Hill, Mason, SJAX, Blair, Ratliff is a starting lineup for another team almost, CAPTIAN JAX ES

[TIMMYD!]

Sjax, Nocioni, Bell=

[Dunc n Dave]

I am very confident Spurs can grab him if they can convince GS and Jax himself. Which does not seem that hard.


Bonner, Finley + Mahinmi for Jax

NOT gonna happen. Nelson said they won't just give him away and there's no way they do a 3 for 1 trade when their roster is already overcrowded. They already have 15 guys under contract.

Spurs would have to give up a package of Mason and Bonner to get SJax. Nelson likes 3pt shooters and he'd get 2 out of the deal, one of them a bigman. I still think there will be teams out there that can offer a better deal to GS than Mason and Bonner though, so chances are slim for the Spurs.

[benefactor]

NOT gonna happen. Nelson said they won't just give him away and there's no way they do a 3 for 1 trade when their roster is already overcrowded. They already have 15 guys under contract.

Spurs would have to give up a package of Mason and Bonner to get SJax. Nelson likes 3pt shooters and he'd get 2 out of the deal, one of them a bigman. I still think there will be teams out there that can offer a better deal to GS than Mason and Bonner though, so chances are slim for the Spurs.

Agreed. I think that Nellie might do Finley and Bonner, but in all likelihood he would ask for Mason in place of Finley to get the deal done. Finley will be done after this year and Mason is a player that GS can at least take a shot at re-signing after this year. A much as they like to overpay players, I'm thinking they would offer a contract that Mason would take if he plays well for them.

[MaNu4Tres]

Jackson's a Bobcat:

Jackson/ Law for Bell /Radmonovic

[admiralsnackbar]

Poor GS. They give Jax a terrible contract which inflates his ego past reckoning, creating a situation which demands the haughty egotist be traded for table scraps. Lose/Lose.

[TDMVPDPOY]

man fkn jax has been balling since joining the bobcats

whats there record with him since joining the team? its like a turnaround, now they could be looking at playoffs bball...

all they need is diaw to get a straw out of his ass and play like that 10m dollar contract he is

[FlAVaK]

3-6 before (Diaw 12.9 PPG on 11.1 FGAs)
12-12 after (Diaw 8.6 PPG on 7.9 FGAs)

I won`t call that a turnaround, especially because some of those earlier losses came @Boston, @Cleveland and against Orlando, Portland.

And Diaw scoring drop relates to the number of touches.
He was never worth his contract anyways...

[ace3g]

Jackson overslept Friday morning and coach Scott Skiles said he wouldn’t play. Shaun Livingston started in his place at shooting guard.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...ap-buckslineup

and Livingston will start in his place again, even though SJAX is available to play

AlexKennedyNBA Alex Kennedy
Shaun Livingston to start for the Bucks tonight, even though Stephen Jackson is available. It'll be interesting to see how Jackson responds.

Have to see how this scenario plays out toward the trade deadline...

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UPDATE:

AlexKennedyNBA Alex Kennedy
Stephen Jackson didn't play in Milwaukee's win over Detroit on Monday. Jackson is frustrated, but sources say he hasn't demanded a trade.

AlexKennedyNBA Alex Kennedy
Stephen Jackson is someone to keep an eye on as the trade deadline approaches. The Bucks won't pay him $9,260,000 to sit on the bench.

[TDMVPDPOY]

jax only has played like 10mins out of the bucks last 5 games...he doesnt know his role there...

maybe they should straight up trade for rj....


ps. jax wants an extention.....umm fail

[stephen jackson]

give him a damn extension briing him here.
we gave pussy rj one.

[venitian navigator]

at this point, I Think SJ would came here also without an extension...but just for the chance to increase his market value.
His relationship with Milwaukee looks like already brocken.
Only point is that maybe Milwaukee, probably, doesn't want two more years of RJ (also if with a better contract than the one they sold us...)...but is out of question that RJ could be a good complement to speedy play maker like Jennings...

[ace3g]

Jackson Doesn’t See a Future in Milwaukee

http://www.hoopsworld.com/stephen-ja...e-in-milwaukee

[K-State Spur]

at this point, I Think SJ would came here also without an extension...but just for the chance to increase his market value.

The problem is that there isn't much market for 35 year old (which he will be when his contract expires) off guards who depend more on athleticism than pure skill.

That's why Jax knows that he needs to get paid NOW.

Besides, Jax's best role on a contender is defending (which he can't do like he used to) and taking his offense when it's there - not trying to justify the next big deal by chucking up shots left and right at the expense of more efficient scorers.

I'll use numbers of the previous 3 years (which Jax is probably going to fall off of even if he's happy, he's entering the mid-30s):

Jackson - 1.19 points/shot (1.02 this year)
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Parker - 1.26 points/shot (1.19 this year)
Manu - 1.38 points/shot (1.68 this year)
RJ - 1.32 points/shot (1.19 this year)
Neal - 1.24 points/shot (1.04 this year)
Leonard - 1.10 points/shot (this year only)
Green - 1.16 points/shot (this year only)

He's less efficient than everybody except Green & Leonard, and I don't want him taking their minutes unless he can defend like them, which I don't think he can anymore.

Then, top it all off with the fact that his contract is worse than RJ's because you can't amnesty it if you trade for it.

Don't see it.