you generally need a top 2-3 record in your conference and a top 2-3 margin of victory tocompete for an NBA le
Mavs were 12 wins off and 5.5 points per game off those #'s this year
That is a very large gap
One that sure isn't filled by guys like Matt ing Carroll, Shawn mutha in Marion, Chris ing Kaman, etc etc.
Okay, I was previously able to tolerate you and your persistent ignorance just fine, but now you have seriously morphed into a ing annoying dumbass. I know you are being a re on purpose, but its gotten to a ridiculous point. I think most trolls are funny, but its not really funny when you used to be a somewhat reasonable and normal poster, and suddenly decide to be just like SpursDynasty, except failing miserably in the process.
Speaking of which, where has SpursDynasty been?
Eat Ghazi.
quit bein sensitive.
I was actually agreeing with your opinion that Bibby/Carroll/Marion/Dirk/Shaq is a solid starting 5.
Bibby is a realistic option I believe if the Mavs let Kidd walk. I just do not see the ability for a lot of PG trades, unless you are going to try and take a stab at a younger pg (Sessions, Kirk...) that is not a top tier pg and try and get by on making other moves.
thats why resiging Kidd is so important. While he is 36yrs old, the drop off the mavs would have at the PG spot would be so damning that making the playoffs in the west would be extremely difficult
Does it really matter? Mavs and 90% of the league are pretty much ed for the next decade or so, as guys like Lebron, Wade, CP3, D-Will, Dwight, Carmello, and KD are running around torching everyone.
I agree that Kidd is the best option (I started my lengthy review by saying so). There is just not a lot of pg available in trades unless you go young or mediocre.
The FA PG's are nothing to write home about, but they could make do if they are looking for strengths and ignoring weaknesses (meaning there are plenty of scoring pg's that might suck at defense...)
Cp3 is stuck on roster next year
OKC is 2-4 years away
Carmelo is a backward fighting pussy
Cheat seem to be a few years away as well.
I don't like the Magic's future in 1-2 years. Rashard Lewis getting paid 23 million dollars in a few years? D Howard is too raw as well.
D-Will... hhmm, not sure
Lebron is the biggest obstacle right now.
That's why Mavs need to push all their chips in for the next 1-2 years while Dirk still has his brilliance.
I trust Big Daddy Cubes and Nellie will cook something good up this summer
It just wouldn't be fair for Dirk for relatively little roster overhaul to be made. We are Mavs fans, not Dirk fans, but Dirk's interests and the Mavs' interests go hand in hand: being contenders.
We endured a lot this year with our guys in blue.the 2-7 start, the close calls against the lottery teams, the embarassing blowout losses. etc etc.
The end of the season left a good taste in the mouth but we still want more. It pains me to see Dirk's brilliance wasted given what the guys went through in '06 and '07. Maybe Dirk cannot take our guys in blue to the promised land, not in this era where the 2nd greatest player of all time exists, but at the very least he deserves a roster that gives him a shot.
Good roster: Vince Carter, Gerald Wallace, Shaq
and resign kidd!
The Suns front office was never happy about the way we swiped Nash from them and he blossomed here...and Donnie was an assistant there before Nellie hired him away. I think there was also lingering bitterness about how the Finley-Kidd trade worked out for both franchises.
That's been Ghazi's MO all season. Bring up a player, like Wallace for example, and it's "Gerald ing Wallace will not put this team over the top, injury prone, lateral move" blahblahIsuckDonnie's blah.
I'm trying to be creative here.
Others are suggesting scrubs like Kaman and Matt Carroll. CUban to Dirk: My bad about giving you a mediocre roster in 08-09, I promise upgrades for next year. Dirk to Cuban: Oh yeah, who you got in mind? Cuban: Matt Carroll and Chris Kaman. Dirk:
Cmon guys, Dirk deserves better than that.
Shaqtus/Carter/Wallace
No more excuses this offseason.
No more "blame it all on Avery" bull
No more "full training camp with Kidd"
No more "our big 3 is as good as any"
No more "let's waste the MLE on Diop"
Most of the starters should not be back or starting next year.
http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archi...an-conten.html
The Mavs' top priority this off-season is to re-sign Jason Kidd. The powers that be at the AAC also want to bring back unrestricted free agent Brandon Bass.
"We like the major pieces that we have in place," president of basketball operations Donnie Nelson said. "We're going to look to add -- get a little bit more athletic, get some slashing from the right positions, always looking for shooting, low-post presence. I think those are all areas that we would like to upgrade or address in some form or fashion."
Coach Rick Carlisle said he believes the Mavs' core -- Dirk, Kidd, Josh Howard and Jason Terry -- is good enough to contend for a le. The mission for the Mavs' front office this summer is to put the right parts around their four stars.
"We've got to do everything possible to make a championship happen now," Carlisle said. "Dirk is in his prime. He's playing better than he's ever played, statistically and everything else. He has only one goal, and that goal is our goal."
Dude must be bull ting. Carlisle's smarter than that and if he isn't, Dirk has got to be like GTFO.
Only way Mavs would be contenders with J-Ho and JET on team is if the expiring contracts brought back two difference makers that bump JET and Josh to the 5th and 6th best players on the team.
I dont mean to hate on those 2, but the holes in their game are too vast for them to be a reliable part of core!
Terry is an undersized jump shooter who isn't even that lethal from arc anymore!
Have to wonder about J-ho's durability now, and his vanishing acts / handles / bball IQ / etc
(Dirk/Kidd/2 difference makers/JET/Josh/etc etc)
bring back Kidd
What else is there? I might go after Raymond Felton with the MLE. He's an unselfish, team-oriented guy, but also pretty mediocre as a pro. PG is a position that guys seem to be special right off the bat (CP3, Deron, Rose), or they take their time with growing pains before it all comes together (Billups, Parker, Devin, Rondo). It's possible Felton never pans out. But I think he's a guy who is worth taking a chance on. He's a hard worker, he's got his head screwed on straight, and there's probably a world of difference between the coaching and resources a franchise like Charlotte gave him for three years as opposed to what he would have available to develop him here in Dallas. In effect he'd be Aaron Rodgers. Bringing in Felton would make it necessary to shop JJB. I like JJB and I think he can be a good rotation piece, but he shouldn't be untouchable either.
bring back Bass
No brainer. From what I understand, they might actually have to burn their MLE to keep him though. If that's what it takes, it would suck to not have that to upgrade the roster, but they can't let Bass go without getting something in return. I'd try to work out a s'n't if another team offered him crazy money.
Add some role players to the core
Terry's value will never be higher. They'll never get a better return for him than right now. Josh might be hard to move because of uncertainty over ankle surgery, but I would think he could pass a physical under the cir stances. Dampier and Stack should be attractive expirings. Upgrading over Dampier is the other top priority besides resigning Kidd. They picked up an option on Shawne Williams that should make him a piece that helps facilitate trades.
Bottom line:
The Spurs and Celtics both use the same formula: A Big Three, unselfish role players, a commitment to playing defense, an excellent coaching staff, as well as good chemistry/culture.
I like Dirk as a #1 option and Kidd as the #3 option. They need a new #2. I like Josh, he redeemed himself in my eyes with his battling on two bum wheels because his team needed him. In many ways he is an excellent complement to Dirk. They're both strong where the other is weak. But he's a guy that they should be shopping. Terry is one of my favorite all-time Mavs, and I think he's been a huge part of the culture here. But they should try to move him when he had a career-best year at the age of 31. They're not going to get that again from him. Damp/Stack/Josh/Jet should be able to yield that #2 option and maybe even a #4, so the Mavs can roll out a "Big Four."
We can only hope the Mavs brass is just simply tossing out this non-answer horse because they don't want to tip any hands.
Dampier and Stack cannot be back next season...Terry and J-Ho are iffy bc the Mavs FO probably loves those guys so much that it would take an absolute steal for them to trade them
Celtics have a Big 4 now
Big 3's aren't good enough. It takes a big 4, or dare I say big 5 (see sig) to dethrone the King.
Can Bass be sign and traded?
That 09 draft pick is tradeable come draft night. si? I would not be opposed to trading it away in a deal.
Someone give me the answers I seek so I can waste more time on my drawing board.
This year's pick cannot be traded. You can't go consecutive years without a first-rounder.
Ah, wasn't sure if that restriction gets lifted on draft night or not.
Booo!
they can trade the player right after the selection.
Yeah, I guess that they could take somebody at another team's request.
Why did JET forget how to shoot 3's
Same w/ Dirk
Is it about winning or about their favorite butt buddies? B/c only way the "core" is still intact is if Cuban and Donnie are seriously delusional and think that tweaking around the piss poor core is going to get anything done.
Terry's value will not be higher. Thank god for his 6th man award to overshadow his playoff failure this season.
JHo is injury prone and too erratic to be counted on. They should move him for a younger piece.
That's why I don't listen to the that comes from the FO. They are always blowing smoke up everyone's ass.
I'll copy and paste from my other post:
Let's go through this blueprint and see how the Mavs stack up:The Spurs and Celtics both use the same formula: A Big Three, unselfish role players, a commitment to playing defense, an excellent coaching staff, as well as good chemistry/culture.
1) A Big Three.
Dirk is definitely a franchise player. By any objective measure, he remains a top ten player. Probably in that second five than the first five. A resigned Kidd would be adequate as a team's third piece, provided our fourth piece was just as good as Kidd. But I think ultimately Josh has failed in the role of a #2. I think he's too injury prone. I have renewed respect for him following the way he finished the season, but the Mavs should not be about loyalty, they should be about getting better. They shouldn't hesitate to move Howard for another All Star or as part of a package to land another superstar.
2) unselfish role players
I like Bass and JJB. Jet was our 6th man, but he was definitely one of our top three players for most of the season. I don't know of anybody else on our bench that has distinguished themselves. The Mavs could definitely use more front-court depth and athletic wing defenders types and shooters that can space the floor. We have to upgrade here too.
3) a commitment to playing defense
Ultimately the Mavs were at best a mediocre defensive team this year. They did some good things, and when Josh was healthy he made them a better on that end of the floor. Part of solving the defensive problems is better personnel through roster overhaul. The other area is going to have to be a serious commitment the way Boston plays defense, as well as the way Cleveland, Orlando, Houston and even Denver all play defense.
4) excellent coaching stafffor the most part
It took Carlisle a while to turn the playcalling over to Kidd. His subs ution patterns were re ed at times. He alienated some of the players early on, and he's a prickly personality that will eventually get tuned out here in the next 2-3 years. But I thought he did a pretty good job this year of getting this guys to buy in and make a run at the end of the year. They played hard for him until the end and eventually bought into his program, even if it took a while.
5) good chemistry/culture
There's been a lot of turmoil and heartache beginning with the Finals and running all the way through the 2-7 start to the season. It got so bad at certain points of the season that many people began advocating blowing it all up and start a rebuilding project. But it looks like they righted the ship somewhat in this area.
Bottom line:
They are no longer an elite team, but as one of 8 teams left standing, they're still pretty good. A lot closer to the penthouse than the cellar. The roster isn't good enough to win a le, but they're not that far in terms of potential upgrades to get back to the elite level.
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