Slam Magazine Top 50 Greatest Players of all time

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Jesus, as a Lakers fan you of all people should realize he was dominant right away. Check out Kareem's birth certificate- Hakeem is now recognized as his father after what he did to him in the '86 playoffs. He was dominant for a good 12 years, easily.

You mean the year that the Lakers tanked so that they wouldn't get embarrassed by the Celtics in the Finals?

[Spursfan092120]

Take off the Spurs homer glasses. Shaq was dominant.

WTF? And Timmy wasn't? No one could handle Tim. He has a better FT percentage, and actually has a jumpshot. Just because Shaq could use his weight to back people up to the basket doesn't make him a better player. Tim had a better skillset, and was more clutch. Tim is overall the better player...period.

[monosylab1k]

No one could handle Tim.

except this guy

[duncan228]

except this guy

In overtime, where Diop was fresh and Duncan was so tired (41/15/6/3/1) he needed two bags of fluids after the game.

[Spursfan092120]

In overtime, where Diop was fresh and Duncan was so tired (41/15/6/3/1) he needed two bags of fluids after the game.

[mavs>spurs2]

People actually think Tim Duncan is top 10?

[IronMexican]

People actually think Tim Duncan is top 10?

I definitely think he is. But, behind Shaq.

[duncan228]

People actually think Tim Duncan is top 10?

Yup.

We know I'm biased, but Duncan is listed top ten on pretty much any list out there. I think his place among the greats is cemented.

[monosylab1k]

In overtime, where Diop was fresh and Duncan was so tired (41/15/6/3/1) he needed two bags of fluids after the game.

I know I know. I just think it's funny how after the Mavs traded him the first time, lots of Spurs fans here regarded Diop as some kind of "Duncan Stopper" because of a couple good defensive stops in one game.

[Spursfan092120]

People actually think Tim Duncan is top 10?

Um...dude I haven't seen a single list that says he's not. I'd love to see one that does...and I'd love to see who they put above him.

[carrao45]

From watching them play, and factoring in their compatibility in all eras, it's more like:
1) Michael Jordan (GOAT, had good timing in his career)
2) Kareem Abdul Jabbar (Dominated the 1970s, Won 5 les in the 1980s, longevity = greatness)
3) Magic Johnson (Greatest Point Guard Ever)
4) Shaquille O'Neal (Most dominant force I've ever seen, Wilt not even close, once he had the triangle, Phil, + Kobe matured, he became a winner)
5) Tim Duncan (Best defensive anchor I've seen, at the same time a two-way player, unbelievably consistent, should've been Finals MVP 2007 imo)
6) Larry Bird (White Men Can't Jump, intelligent player)
7) Kobe Bryant (MJ upgraded, MJ Remix, MJ with longer range, playing in zone era)
8) Wilt Chamberlain (Dominated the 1960s, widening of lane affected his production, but still great because of what he did for the game, Dwight Howard is a remix of him)
9) Hakeem Olajuwon (Unbelievable player at 7-0, career leader in blocks, back2back les, outplayed all Cs in his era during his prime)
10) Bill Russell (11 les)

This.
Except i think Tim Duncan, Larry Bird, Kobe Wilt and Hakeem are better than Shaq. So move Shaq to #9 and Tim, Larry, Kobe, Wilt, and Hakeem up 1

[carrao45]

This is so ridiculously stupid. How in the world can Shaq be above Kareem, Hakeem, and Magic?
How can Stockton and Barkley be over Robinson? Pippen over Gervin?

Pippin was better than Gervin, because of championships won. But i agree with everything else u said

[Spursfan092120]

Pippin was better than Gervin, because of championships won. But i agree with everything else u said

I agree with most of everything you said except for this. Gervin was better than Pippen. Everyone knows Pippen won his les because of Jordan. Gervin was the man. A monster.

[carrao45]

I call total bull on that. What does Shaq have that Timmy doesn't? Where is Shaq's jumpshot? Shaq's bigger...Timmy's better.

I agree TD is better than Shaq. But shaq being bigger does not take away from his greatness. Size is just as important as talent in basketball

[Spursfan092120]

I agree TD is better than Shaq. But shaq being bigger does not take away from his greatness. Size is just as important as talent in basketball

yes..it is...and I'm not taking away from his greatness at all by saying he's bigger..I'm just saying I think Timmy's better.

[carrao45]

I agree with most of everything you said except for this. Gervin was better than Pippen. Everyone knows Pippen won his les because of Jordan. Gervin was the man. A monster.

A man/monster that didnt play Defense and never even went to the finals

[carrao45]

yes..it is...and I'm not taking away from his greatness at all by saying he's bigger..I'm just saying I think Timmy's better.

And i agree with that.

In Their Primes: Shaq>>>Duncan
Overall (Consistency, Longevity, Winning Etc.) Duncan>Shaq

[carrao45]

This list has some major errors.

First of all, Hakeem is a top 10 player, and Duncan a top 5 player.

Second, Shaq is lucky to be in the top 10, he is not top 5 material. That also goes for Oscar, he is top 10-15 material, and not as good as Jerry West.

Kobe is not as good as Oscar or Jerry West or Bob Cousy. Kobe is one of the most overrated players in history, followed closely by Shaq.

Jabber is the best player of all time. He took an expansion team and won the NBA le in his 2nd year, the Bucks third year. He was on the cover of TIME magazine when he was in high school. In the 1985 NBA Finals over 20 years later, he was still the MVP. He was 7' 2" and is the only player in history to shoot the SKY HOOK. He was already the best basketball player in the world by his sop re year of college, where he won three straight player of year awards, three straight NCAA championships, and three straight times named outstanding player of the Final 4.

He was his team's leading scorer for his first 17 NBA seasons.

Overall, Jabber won 9 championships:

67, 68, 69, 71, 80, 82, 85, 87, 88

Went to Finals:

74, 83, 84, 89

If anybody thinks Jordan is better than Jabber, you're high. Jordan is a guard. Jabber was one of the best shotblocjers and defenders of all time, guards cannot impact the game on D like Jabber.

Russell is only 6' 9" he is not as good as Jabber.

Chamberlain is the only player who can compare to Jabber. The fact is, Jabber was better.

Actually Jabbar was overrated as a defender and rebounder. Wilt, Russel, and Hakeem were better defenders and rebounders than Kareem

[Amaso]

Here's what I've noticed from these lists.

- Kareem is slightly overrated because of his longevity and the pure amount of achievements/stats that come with it.

- People don't take into account how certain players would fare in the modern NBA era (1980-2009). Thus ranking players too high like Jerry West, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Oscar Robertson, and even Kareem to an extent. It's sort of unfair but its true.

- Hakeem is extremely underrated.

- Lebron James is too low. I'm not necessarily a Lebron James fan but if we were picking teams for a game he'd definitely be in the top 10. Yeah I know he hasn't won anything yet, but he's young and it doesn't disregard how he would dominate most of the players on this list.

[HarlemHeat37]

Kareem is overrated, even though he's at 7?..You need to brush up on your research bro..

Fans that don't consider the extreme advantages of today's player over the older players are the ones that are being unfair..humans don't evolve as quickly as new age fans would like to believe, and there's a significant advantage in training/equipment/technology and pretty much everything..

Hakeem isn't underrated at all..people seem to be unable to understand that Hakeem was a different player at different points of his career..he was never the entire package at one single point of his career..he's underrated in the sense that he's #13 on this list, but he's actually overrated by fans on the internet..

[Amaso]

Hakeem isn't underrated at all..people seem to be unable to understand that Hakeem was a different player at different points of his career..he was never the entire package at one single point of his career..

That's sig material right there.

[carrao45]

Here's what I've noticed from these lists.

- Kareem is slightly overrated because of his longevity and the pure amount of achievements/stats that come with it.

- People don't take into account how certain players would fare in the modern NBA era (1980-2009). Thus ranking players too high like Jerry West, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Oscar Robertson, and even Kareem to an extent. It's sort of unfair but its true.

- Hakeem is extremely underrated.

- Lebron James is too low. I'm not necessarily a Lebron James fan but if we were picking teams for a game he'd definitely be in the top 10. Yeah I know he hasn't won anything yet, but he's young and it doesn't disregard how he would dominate most of the players on this list.

Lebron will end up Top 5 All-Time. Definitely. But he's where he belongs on this list, because, like you said, he hasn't won anything yet.

[carrao45]

Kareem is overrated, even though he's at 7?..You need to brush up on your research bro..

Fans that don't consider the extreme advantages of today's player over the older players are the ones that are being unfair..humans don't evolve as quickly as new age fans would like to believe, and there's a significant advantage in training/equipment/technology and pretty much everything..

Hakeem isn't underrated at all..people seem to be unable to understand that Hakeem was a different player at different points of his career..he was never the entire package at one single point of his career..he's underrated in the sense that he's #13 on this list, but he's actually overrated by fans on the internet..

That's sig material right there.

I Agree

[nevitt_&_smrek]

What an insult it is to have Kareem at #7. How about #1? Definitely no lower than 3.

[robbie380]

Kareem is overrated, even though he's at 7?..You need to brush up on your research bro..

Fans that don't consider the extreme advantages of today's player over the older players are the ones that are being unfair..humans don't evolve as quickly as new age fans would like to believe, and there's a significant advantage in training/equipment/technology and pretty much everything..

Hakeem isn't underrated at all..people seem to be unable to understand that Hakeem was a different player at different points of his career..he was never the entire package at one single point of his career..he's underrated in the sense that he's #13 on this list, but he's actually overrated by fans on the internet..

so you watched dream in 86?