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Undermined them? What the ? HOW?
Didn't I already say the reformers were kinda screwed regardless of how Obama handled it? WTF dude? Reading is fundamental.
Undermined them? What the ? HOW?
Then how the did he undermine them? And if its such a non issue why did you start the thread?
You have nothing to back up the bull you spew and you think because you can find articles that repeat the same inane bull its somehow correct.
Most people would want these changes in Iran.
Now, point out where I said that Mousavi would deliver these changes. Good luck.
Based on?
When you start a thread about supporting reformers and then use that as the reasoning behind it what the else are you saying?
How can you disagree with the truth?
So what you are saying is you have no real argument here.
Understood.
Opinions aren't truth.
Well your opinion is that nothing Obama could say would help the protesters -- so why should he say anything again?
How did you formulate your opinion? What do you base your belief Jman's is incorrect?
Why have leader of other countries said anything?
Supposedly, this country stands for something -- at least it used to.
They aren't the great Satan. Those countries don't have quite the history of meddling in Iran that the US has and their words can't be used to influence domestic Iranian politics like those from the US..
Again -- why should anything be said if -- in your own opinion -- it will do nothing for the protesters and -- in the opinion of many others -- will hurt the protesters.Supposedly, this country stands for something -- at least it used to.
Be specific about why you demand something be done.
Obama should do nothing. He's the bestest POTUS ever. He's like God or something.
That's not an answer.
Tell us all why you think Obama's response should be different in relation to its effect on the protesters in Iran.
Be specific.
It sucks when you say you can't back up, doesn't it?
I'd like to think he's changed his mind and he's just being stubborn. I just can't comprehend a rational person not coming to the conclusion that the Obama is doing the right thing here.
I will never forget that the only reason I'm standing here today is because somebody, somewhere stood up for me when it was risky. Stood up when it was hard. Stood up when it wasn't popular. And because that somebody stood up, a few more stood up. And then a few thousand stood up. And then a few million stood up. And standing up, with courage and clear purpose, they somehow managed to change the world. -- Barack Obama speech, Jan. 8, 2008
Damn, Chump and Manny are assholes.
Good thing I don't with you guys.
http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/06...t-geeky-power/
It turns out that while all this was going on, the State Department was—quietly and without fanfare—calling up Twitter, which had effectively become critical infrastructure for the opposition, to delay a maintenance outage scheduled for peek Iranian tweeting-hours. That may not have been why there was a delay, but it does suggest that perhaps the administration is finding subtle ways to support democratic openness without a lot of counterproductive bluster that would conjure bad memories of U.S. interference in other countries’ choice of leaders. They’d probably have more instruments for gentle pressure if we weren’t already totally disengaged from Iran—the trouble with making a big show of utterly shunning bad regimes is that you’ve got nowhere to go when there’s a propitious occasion to give them a nudge in a healthier direction—but for all we know they’re doing other similarly subtle, unobtrusive stuff behind the scenes. It’s almost as if they’re more concerned with what actually contributes to human rights in Iran than with what provides the best fap-fodder for hawks at home. Crazy.
Darrin is not a rational person.
He shouldnt, each time he tries to clarify his statement he still makes no sense.
What ES said.
Using ignorance as a shield to protect ideological glibness is unfortunately common in this forum, and it sucks. It makes conversation impossible. It comes down to navel gazing and monologue.
In essence, it's another form of rudeness.
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