RJ + lotto pick
or
Marc Gasol + lotto pick + $13 million salary dump (what the Grizzlies ended up with)
Either one is fine with me in trade for Pau.
I mean really, the Grizzlies got the salary relief they needed, a very good Center for $3 million and a lotto pick for their 20 point scorer. What did the Bucks get for their 20 point scorer?
Last edited by Allanon; 06-24-2009 at 06:02 AM.
How exactly did you give Memphis a lotto pick? By stealing their best player and making them a very bad team? As some people have already pointed out they were winning at a .290 before trading him, so it's not like they weren't going to have a lotto pick regardless of whether he had stayed or been traded to another team.
The Lakers sent Javaris Crittenton to the Grizz in the Pau trade and they traded him for a lotto pick.
Alright, then you might as well use J.Crittenton instead of 'lotto pick' in your justifications, no? Or does it not sound that good being put this way?
they dont got it from the lakers so it's not relevant
It sounds much better as a lotto pick and since it's the net result of the trade, it's true.
Javaris Crittenton was traded for that lotto pick. They wouldn't have had that assett if they didn't get him from the Lakers in the Pau trade.
Javaris was part of the Gasol deal. So the net result of the Pau deal for the Grizz so far is Marc + lotto pick + $13 million salary dump. If that lotto pick becomes an elite player, it's going to be even sweeter for the Grizz.
So if the Bucks resign Villanueva and Sessions with the money they got from the RJ deal, their net result would be : Villanueva + K.Thomas + Sessions for RJ. Not that bad of a deal eh?It sounds much better as a lotto pick and since it's the net result of the trade, it's true.
Memphis make Javaris Crittenton into a lotto pick not the Lakers.
Neither Villanueva or Sessions came from the Spurs. Only KT & Bowen.
the Bucks didn't receive any talent back. Now if they trade KT or Bowen for Vince Carter or Dwayne Wade or a lotto pick, sure, that's a great deal for the Bucks.
Until then, this was a salary dump and the Spurs got a talented player and the Bucks got salary relief.
Nothing wrong with it at all, it's a great deal for the Spurs and it fits the Bucks purposes. Just like the Gasol trade made great sense for the Grizzlies.
Teams were in the right place at the right time with the necessary assets and came out with great deals...there's no collusion in this...just great trading.
Last edited by Allanon; 06-24-2009 at 06:26 AM.
Where did Memphis get Javaris Crittenton and in which trade?
This is where Laker fans disagree with fans of 28 other teams. In the same time you will not find many arguing against the RJ deal, except for laker fans who can't enjoy their le because they desperately want to justify the collusion.You use every possibility to do it, remember last season there were a lot of laker fans who said the deal for Kurt Thomas was a collusion as well and that the Spurs got away with a great deal, talk about being desperate.
Enjoy your le dude, no one wants any justification of the Gasol deal, it's done, move on. Everyone else in the NBA has already done it, except for Laker fans.
Agreed.
That's the point of this thread...let's quit with all this collusion talk because it's hypocrisy.
this is the point Memphis get Javaris Crittenton from the Lakers not a lotto pick.
Haven't read through this whole thread, nor do I want to. Spent enough hours on spurstalk and espn.com yesterday. Allanon just gave a perfect assessment of the deal, why anyone would argue with it is just proving there's s in here. Props all for shooting straight and not bs'ing which u can do from time to time
As for comparing the trades i could give a , the pau deal has been long done-was great for them they won a chip from it, spurs just made an impact trade, we'll see what happens. I think that we'll add a quality big man in off-season and have a very compe ive squad.
PS I'm in tired of everyone saying "IF healthy" and "IF the 3 can stay healthy all season".....just stop. Every team is susceptible to injuries. Spurs had a bad year in regards to manu and TD...that does not mean they can't come back and play great again. 33 and 31 is not all that decrepit, injuries can happen to anyone on any team and its not like manu or TD had ACL reconstruction (not fun btw), or a major ligament tear. Manu had a lingering issue that turned into something else but with ample time there's no reason to think he can't come back....TD just put a lot more stress onto his legs, play him 30mpg plus a long summer of rest and he will be ok-and duh get another QUALITY big who can actually help him defend. I guess point is stop saying spurs will compete "IF" the 4 guys stay healthy....you could say that about the lakers, the rockets, the nuggets...here ya go the lakers will compete for a ring next year "IF" kobe,pau,ariza, and odom stay healthy. same thing. Next year everyone goes in fresh, spurs have as good a chance to stay healthy as any other team. I guess that's /rant
One of a shrewd move to get Jefferson and the kicker is that you get Oberto back after he is released.
Barring injury the Spurs have a legit shot in 2010.
Awesome. Best post of many good rebuttles and this ends any and all the Faker whining, period.Equal to Gasol???
I'll tell you what, why don't we give you Jefferson and we'll take Gasol.
Yeah, it was definitely a salary dump, so in that there are some similarities, but in no way would I call this equal.
Where is that high lotto pick you kept referring to? The Grizzlies sucking and getting a lottery pick has nothing to do with the value of the trade. The Grizzlies could STILL trade Gasol for a high pick, cap relief, suck for a few years, get more lottery picks and such.
I thought the Grizzlies got the 2008 1st round pick of the Lakers (I think turned out to be Darrell Arthur), and a 2010 1st round pick of the Lakers. Given that the Grizzlies have to give up their 2010 2nd round pick, and how good the lakers are and how bad the Grizzlies are (foreseeable during time of trade), these two picks could be a few spots from each other, making negligeble difference.
So if Gasol=RJ maybe Lakers can trade Gasol for RJ, right ?
What better deal could the Bucks get from Jefferson? The Bucks were strictly looking to shed salary because they couldn't sign Villanueva and Sessions. They did that.So now the same spurs fans that were crying collusion about the Gasol trade are now saying they can see the reasoning behind this one for the Bucks.
One thing I like about spurs fans is they can twist anything to fit their needs. Lakers gave up 4 first rounders (Marc was first round talent at time of trade) and cap space, spurs just gave up capspace and will probably get those players back. But to spurs fans it still doesn't compare because Gasol is a Franchise player and Jefferson is only average or slightly above average.
The Grizzlies, on the other hand, were looking at shedding salary and rebuilding with good picks. Even Kobe Bryant used the word "donation" to describe the trade, and Heisley openly questioned whether he got the value that he could've gotten.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns
In the same article, it was mentioned that the Bulls gave a offer far better than the Lakers did:
And now I asked, which team is willing to give a better deal to the Bucks than the Spurs for a vastly overpaid SF?
Last edited by ambchang; 06-24-2009 at 10:17 AM.
Oberto and fodder for Bosh would have been = Kwame Brown for Gasol collusion.
Yep. Jefferson's 13 ppg is worth Bowen, Oberto, Thomas.
This is beginning to look like the Bucks pulled a "Gasol" trade.
So the Spurs took note and learned and got themselves something for cap space like LA did.
Do Spurs fans still cry over the Gasol deal? SA actually gave up less for RJ than LA for Gasol.
Just wondering....
Yes Laker troll. I'll still cry. How in the can you even attempt to make a comparison. A dominate offensive, post, player and perennial all-star center in Gasol, vs. a solid, athletic, wing player in Jefferson. Are you kidding me? Is it April's Fool's day over there in LA LA Land. Maybe I should FEDEX you a clue or something.
I can't believe I missed this thread. You can't be serious. Gasol and Jefferson aren't even in the same league as far as talent is concerned. This thread is a complete Fail!
At the time of the trade, Gasol was a franchise player.
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