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    Doesn't it mean Saint Diego?

    Hmmm...no, I don't think so.

    Actually, I think it does. It means Saint Diego.

    Well. Agree to disagree.

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    Ok, neither series was his fault, D-Wade just got whistles for everything, GS won that series b/c Don Nelson knew the structure of that team because he coached them. Their best chance was with Avery, just saying
    Hindsight being 20/20, Avery had his team milk the shot clock instead of running their offense down the stretch in Game 3 of the Finals. He also constantly doubled Shaq in that series while Wade was torching them. Against the Warriors, he went away from the lineup that had won 67 games in the regular season and started Devean George at C to "match up better" with a 42-win 8 seed. The players deserve plenty of blame as well, but Avery had lost the locker room. When a coach loses the confidence of his players, his effectiveness is compromised. Why is this hard to understand? Avery's firing didn't mean that Cuban and Donnie held him responsible for every single failure or flaw with the franchise.

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    Seriously, can someone answer my last query?

    Cuban thinks 2007 Mavs supporting cast = 2007 Lakers supporting cast. He obviously doesn't think highly of Josh Howard if he is saying that Josh isn't any better than anybody on the 07 Lakers supporting cast.

    Fast forward a year later, after Josh purposely tanks the season, plays terribly, admits to smoking weed, etc......and suddenly Josh is this bad ass baller who is mentioned as a part of a Big Three that rivals any other Big Three in the league?

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    Hindsight being 20/20, Avery had his team milk the shot clock instead of running their offense down the stretch in Game 3 of the Finals. He also constantly doubled Shaq in that series while Wade was torching them. Against the Warriors, he went away from the lineup that had won 67 games in the regular season and started Devean George at C to "match up better" with a 42-win 8 seed. The players deserve plenty of blame as well, but Avery had lost the locker room. When a coach loses the confidence of his players, his effectiveness is compromised. Why is this hard to understand? Avery's firing didn't mean that Cuban and Donnie held him responsible for every single failure or flaw with the franchise.
    Ok, I agree, all I'm sayin is that when players lose confidence in a coach, someone on the team has to step up, and lead

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    Seriously, can someone answer my last query?

    Cuban thinks 2007 Mavs supporting cast = 2007 Lakers supporting cast. He obviously doesn't think highly of Josh Howard if he is saying that Josh isn't any better than anybody on the 07 Lakers supporting cast.

    Fast forward a year later, after Josh purposely tanks the season, plays terribly, admits to smoking weed, etc......and suddenly Josh is this bad ass baller who is mentioned as a part of a Big Three that rivals any other Big Three in the league?
    I would think it's very hard to say when these guys are telling the truth and when they're blowing smoke up people's asses. They said constantly in the months before the Kidd trade that they loved their team and they specifically weren't looking to trade for Kidd, even though talks between him and Thorn had gone on for months! I don't know how you decipher when these guys are being honest about their intentions and when they're trying to obscure their motives from other clubs.

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    Kobe is not that much better than Dirk that it would have netted us a championship the past 2 years.

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    ^ Is that supposed to worry us?

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    Have no idea about Gortat. I'm prepared for the possibility that we won't get him.

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    Any backup plan ideas if we don't get him ?

    I'm starting to think dreadful, dreadful thoughts!

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    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sport...,5150864.story

    This is from today:

    By signing Brandon Bass on Friday to a four-year, $18 million deal, the Orlando Magic acquired one of their top targets this free-agency period, a young power forward who can rebound, shoot effectively and run the floor.

    But the Magic still have work to do on their front line especially if, as expected, they don't match the Dallas Mavericks' five-year, $34 million offer sheet to restricted free agent Marcin Gortat. When and if Gortat is allowed to leave for Texas, the Magic will need someone who can spell Dwight Howard at center during games and man the position if Howard gets hurt. After all, that was the role that made Gortat so valuable during the Magic's run to the NBA Finals.

    "It's important for us to look at our front line," Magic General Manager Otis Smith said. "We just didn't have a lot of size once we traded away Tony [Battie] and we lost a couple of guys in free agency. So, we didn't have any size. Getting some size [that Bass provides] — he may not be tall, but he's got broad shoulders, and he's a wide body — that was important to us. And we still have some work to do, obviously, as it relates to bigs. So, we're nowhere near done because you still lack size."

    Orlando used part of its mid-level exception of $5,854,000 to sign Bass and can use the remainder to lure more free agents.

    That said, money is starting to get tight. In addition to a backup big man, the Magic still want a wing player and another backup point guard. Yet even with just nine players under contract, the Magic's payroll now has risen to about $72 million and into luxury-tax territory. Any amount above $69.92 million is taxed dollar-for-dollar, and that's one reason why re-signing a backup like Gortat for so much money would be painful.

    So, any remaining free agents the Magic will target likely will be relative bargains. Some of the free-agent centers still available are Jason Collins, Francisco Elson, Ryan Hollins and Theo Ratliff. The pool of wing players is deeper and includes former FSU player Von Wafer, Orlando native Marquis Daniels and former Magic player Keith Bogans. Wafer's agent said the Magic are an attractive option for his client.

    Bass did not start a game last season because the Mavericks had Dirk Nowitzki at power forward. Bass did play some center, but at 6 feet 8, that's not a natural position for him.

    Still, Bass gives the Magic options for their starting lineup. Both Smith and Magic Coach Stan Van Gundy acknowledged that Bass could crack Orlando's starting lineup at power forward and allow Rashard Lewis to move to the small-forward spot, Lewis' more natural position.

    Van Gundy said: "One of the things I think Otis has done in the past and is doing again is giving us a roster not only with talent but one with versatility where we will have a lot of options in terms of the kind of lineups we put on the floor."

    Smith has until July 15 to match Gortat's offer sheet, and though Smith said he's decided what he'll do, he hasn't made his intention public. He has said any annual salary above $5 million would be steep for a backup player, but Smith hypothetically could sign Gortat and then trade him later.

    That would carry some risk, however. Gortat's contract would push them deeper into the luxury tax. And because of rules in the collective bargaining agreement, the Magic would not be allowed to trade Gortat until Dec. 15; any significant injury before then to Gortat would reduce his trade value.

    Sentinel staff writers Brian Schmitz and Tania Ganguli contributed to this report. Read the Orlando Sentinel's Orlando Magic blog at orlandosentinel.com/magicblog. Josh Robbins can be reached at [email protected].

    A look at the top free agents still available, C8

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    Yeah this guy Otis is a real ass clown....if you are going to match and keep him just do it already and stop saying you are not one day and next you arer. Mavs need to move on...Cuban should be on the phone trying to find a backup C and shooting guard. Forget about Gortat. Also, I hope we get a chance to f over the Magic soon

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    Is that guy an Orlando-area Shank?
    I don't know anything about him, but they think that giving him credit for the Bass signing was a big deal. , any of us could have told you he was going to sign there, especially after the Marion deal went down.

    I guess we'll wait and see what the morning brings.

    I still don't think it makes a lot of sense for the Magic to match, but crazier things have happened. It is funny, though, to see the Magic fans think they're going to rape the Rockets for Battier. There are so many little details involved in the match, they might want to keep their panties on.

    Gortat-O-Meter is still at 90%.

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    One can only hope Mark and Donnie have done their homework and are busy working on Plan B. And as a professional courtesy after we got them the TE and didn't match the offer to Bass, ya think Smith could go ahead and match to put us out of our misery? So we can move on to Plan B?

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    I don't know anything about him, but they think that giving him credit for the Bass signing was a big deal. , any of us could have told you he was going to sign there, especially after the Marion deal went down.

    I guess we'll wait and see what the morning brings.

    I still don't think it makes a lot of sense for the Magic to match, but crazier things have happened. It is funny, though, to see the Magic fans think they're going to rape the Rockets for Battier. There are so many little details involved in the match, they might want to keep their panties on.

    Gortat-O-Meter is still at 90%.
    The Marion deal could've been done without Orlando's participation. They got a TE out of it. Cuban could've exceeded the Orlando offer and promised Bass 25 minutes a game and didn't. If after that generosity Smith decided to hang on to Gortat, wouldn't professional courtesy dictate he go ahead and match so the Mavs can move on with alternate arrangements with the MLE? It makes absolutely no sense for Orlando to match, but I can't say I'd be surprised. I guess Smith is a good poker player, bc I can honestly say I don't know what he'll do.

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    The Marion deal could've been done without Orlando's participation. They got a TE out of it. Cuban could've exceeded the Orlando offer and promised Bass 25 minutes a game and didn't. If after that generosity Smith decided to hang on to Gortat, wouldn't professional courtesy dictate he go ahead and match so the Mavs can move on with alternate arrangements with the MLE? It makes absolutely no sense for Orlando to match, but I can't say I'd be surprised. I guess Smith is a good poker player, bc I can honestly say I don't know what he'll do.
    If he does...Cuban's one aim in life should be to F the Magic over....at all costs. Whether that means losing millions and signing one of their players in the future or going in with other teams to make trades etc. This POS Otis needs to be on the list


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    The Marion deal could've been done without Orlando's participation. They got a TE out of it. Cuban could've exceeded the Orlando offer and promised Bass 25 minutes a game and didn't. If after that generosity Smith decided to hang on to Gortat, wouldn't professional courtesy dictate he go ahead and match so the Mavs can move on with alternate arrangements with the MLE? It makes absolutely no sense for Orlando to match, but I can't say I'd be surprised. I guess Smith is a good poker player, bc I can honestly say I don't know what he'll do.
    If that happens, then karma will finally be on Cuban's side and Dwight Howard's kneecaps will shoot 20 rows up at tipoff on opening night.

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    If that happens, then karma will finally be on Cuban's side and Dwight Howard's kneecaps will shoot 20 rows up at tipoff on opening night.
    Yeah, to hear people tell it, the Magic would be dumb to let Gortat go w/o compensation. Well, thanks to the Dallas Mavericks they got a TE and Bass. That's quite a haul for a backup center that plays 12 minutes a night. If anything ever happened to Howard, their season is done anyways. Gortat is a luxury they cannot afford.

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    If I get something in my RSS feed tomorrow that says the Magic signed Theo Ratliff to a vet minimum contract, I'm gonna jerk off.

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    Yeah, to hear people tell it, the Magic would be dumb to let Gortat go w/o compensation. Well, thanks to the Dallas Mavericks they got a TE and Bass. That's quite a haul for a backup center that plays 12 minutes a night. If anything ever happened to Howard, their season is done anyways. Gortat is a luxury they cannot afford.
    There seems to be some confusion over BYC, Dec 15th v. 1 year, Gortat having veto power in that year, etc. There are a lot of moving parts.

    What's absurb is them thinking they'd get a guy like Battier for Gortat, who didn't want to go to Houston because of the shoes he'd have to fill. Besides, why would the Rockets give up Battier? Dude's a badass.

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    From RealGM board:

    I saw it on WKMG too. That bag Ping said we're matching the offer for Gortat and most likely signing Matt Barnes and maybe Theo Ratliff too. He also pointed out the we might trade Gortat after the 90 day period from when the season starts. I totally want to smash Pin's face in, he's such a date rapist.
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    That doesn't make sense. First of all, where are they getting all this money? Secondly, why sign Ratliff if you have Howard, Gortat and Bass now?

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    Mavs just need to resign Hollins for sure. Go after Barnes too for nothing else but because the Magic are supposedly after him. Tell him you will offer more than the Magic once they make him an offer.

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    There seems to be some confusion over BYC, Dec 15th v. 1 year, Gortat having veto power in that year, etc. There are a lot of moving parts.

    What's absurb is them thinking they'd get a guy like Battier for Gortat, who didn't want to go to Houston because of the shoes he'd have to fill. Besides, why would the Rockets give up Battier? Dude's a badass.
    If Houston didn't want to pony up the full MLE for 5 years for Gortat in July, why would they give up Battier to get him in December? That makes no sense. I can see how Houston wanted a shorter commitment in years to Gortat. Yao will probably be back no later than opening night of the 10/11 seasons. If they wanted Gortat at that price, they could've matched Dallas' offer. Why would they then trade him and give up a piece like Battier? Have you read that NYT article about Battier? Morey considers him part of the team's core.

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    If the Magic are in the market of a serviceable, young center that can fly all over the place and get you 10-12 decent minutes a night, then I have just the guy and he'll come pretty cheap -

    Ryan Hollins.

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