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JPMorgan = Walstreet investments, etc...I know, poor JPMorgan just posted $2.3 billion in profits.
But I feel for you, it's going to be tough to live without that 42" HDTV.
Wtf healthcare?
I don't know if it is or not, but I do know that's not a decision I want the government making for me.
JPMorgan = Walstreet investments, etc...I know, poor JPMorgan just posted $2.3 billion in profits.
But I feel for you, it's going to be tough to live without that 42" HDTV.
Wtf healthcare?
Exactly. It really shouldn't be the government's decision at all.
Hasten the demise of the sick and let the true Americans live, LIVE my friends!
Who's decision do you want it to be?
Exactly.
I was responding to the 'It's not like we're in a global economic crisis' comment.
I'll drink to that.
That was a response to you saying that you're not worried about the CBO saying that we'll have to raise taxes by 44% to pay for all of Obama's other programs, health care not included. Personally I think being in the middle of a global economic crisis is something we ought to keep in mind when deciding whether or not to dramatically hike taxes and/or create massive new expenditures we can't pay for, but I guess that's just me.
Last edited by coyotes_geek; 07-17-2009 at 02:08 PM.
That's a decision that should be made between me, my doctor and whoever has to foot the bill, most likely my insurance provider. Who's decision do you want it to be?
Anybody catch the language on the bill that cleared committee? You can keep the private insurance you have, but if you give it up you have to go with the public plan.
I am probably the last employer in the country that still pays for 100% of health care for employee and family. i put this out to bid every year and choose the provider/plan that makes the most sense. i rarely stay with one provider more than a couple of years because they get complacent and jack my rates...
This means I CAN'T get compe ive bids anymore.
What a crock of !
The global economic crisis is for small rats like you, me and the vast majority of tax payers in this forum. The big boys keep on making the big bucks at our expense. That's not only reserved for Wall Street execs, but also big pharma. Which is the one funneling that money to the representatives you voted to make sure the status quo stays in place.
There's also something to be said for all the doom and gloom over something that's not even finalized yet. We still don't actually, really know what the final cost is going to be, because the legislation is actually not finalized. So everybody loves to panic tossing around their favorite trillion dollar figures. I'll tell you what. I'm actually a subscriber of Keynesian economics. And under Keynes, the way to get out of a recession is for the government to spend, spend, spend. So the cost actually is not what really concerns me. It's wether the reform addresses some of the things that need to be addressed. Like keeping in check big pharma and insurance co's, and things like comprehensive tort reform. But until the bill is actually final (if that ever happens at all), the entire ing is fictional drama.
Thats is why, I'm not really frightened at all.
If YOU selected the government to be YOUR insurance provider then YOU are leaving the decision to the government. It's YOUR decision all the way. I don't know why it's so complicated for people to understand it's a MIXED system, and you get to decide wether you go with private (if you can afford it) or public insurance.
Last edited by ElNono; 07-17-2009 at 02:33 PM.
I don't understand why you can't get compe ive bids anymore, please explain.
Whether true or not (or it was misinterpreted), thats his reasoning.
The obvious solution here is to let the sick die and rid the population of the useless, antiseptically referred to as "rationing." Abortion access should be extended through subsidization to trim the lower, generally non-white, classes.
I think a lot of programs with intentions of propping up the unproppable are good for business.
Yes, I sense the sarcasm in your post.
nvm
Private insurers might at least keep your arse alive for a while, but the federal government will cut to the chase and stuff you in its bureaucratic bowels before it s you out.
The language literally says you stay with THE SAME PRIVATE HEALTH PLAN or go into the public plan...meaning that if I'm with Humana I can't take bids from Blue Cross, Aetna, etc. If I leave Humana my only choice is to go into the public plan.
It's amazing how "progress", "liberty", and "democracy" have been defined as that which is most efficient to control the masses. Will we have to say the pledge every morning in our hospital beds while we wait for some flunky physician with a MD from the Zaire School of Tribal Medicine to receive the ok from a Civil Service technician (grade GS-1) to medicate us with the latest veterinary grade medication produced by some large corporate pharmaceutical manufacturer? Jesus Christ, the country is ing stupid.
My understanding of what you posted is that if you do not want to offer private insurance you have to at least provide public one. If that's not it, then I agree it's re ed. The former is how it works on most every other country.
Did you know that you have to be on a private plan by the 1st day the law goes into effect otherwise you will be defaulted to the government option? Look it up my friend. It's true. Anybody who thinks they are still allowing us to have a private option are not reading the details.
Goodbye free choice.
This country is now full of people who don't think for themselves and believe Government is better being in every facet of people's life. No time to read and contemplate the details-that's the government's job now isn't it?
Lol...
Exactly Cowboy! Most people don't even know that. Can you believe we will all be in a government plan like it or not in a few years. We cannot switch from one private company to another. If we leave our plan, we will be defaulted to the government plan. No more choice. If this isn't socialism than I don't know what is. People are so desperate to have the government provide for them that they don't realize the slippery slope we are now going down.
So you think the government taking over health care will make it more efficient and have less middlemen? You think you will get more quality care if you are on a government plan? Have you ever known the government to be efficient and not have middlemen? Come on...
Did you know the Medicaid government run program will run out of money in 7 years? And you think government controlled health care is the answer to these problems? You really need to read and do research about this. It really seems like you're just thinking it's going to keep premiums down, but you're missing a lot of the problems inherent in this reform bill. I urge you to read and research, please. This program is unsustainable and will not cut medical costs. Please see the CBO statement.
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