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  1. #126
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    The 2001 Laker team was a joke. They got a le gift-wrapped by the refs the year before.

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    last 4 finals if you want to be specific

    spurs 4-0

    lakers 2-2



    powned got
    Last time lakers met spurs: 4-1 lol.

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    You got it all wrong. Pop finally stopped complaining and decided if the Lakers can get away with robbing a franchise, so can we.

    "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em"

    The difference is the Spurs had no shady connections in the Bucks organization, unlike the Lakers with West in the Memphis front office.
    And the Lakers finally stopped complaining and decided if the Celtics can get away with robbing a franchise, so can we.

    & West was no longer in the Memphis front office when we robbed Gasol.

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    "team of the decade" talk is self-fallatio as well. tell me how it matters. it's a label conjured up by fans who basically make up that doesn't even exist in order to make themselves feel better. all that matters is LOB's, which this era's Spurs team has, along with he Lakers.
    Your one stubborn person mingus, I'll give you that. I can't say I blame you. Your a dedicated fan of a team that hasn't experienced that therefore you've been denied.

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    Your a dedicated fan of a team that hasn't experienced that therefore you've been denied.
    Acme is correct here. There is no way for Ming to get straightened out until he goes back-to-back. This is the kind of hair shirt they tossed onto Kobe over the Shaq has one without you rigamarole. It was conjuried up up by Media and then carried forth by their minions of readers. Media though don't want no part of fitting Spurs Fandom with the back-to-back LESS hair shirt. Uh, uh, they just figured we Lakers Fandom wouldn't notice. To help keep us distracted they started that assholish every other year rigamarole Then the Mavs came along and kicked the Spurs ass and that went to .

    No back-to-back. No mercy. That's it.

    Let us proceed...

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    Acme is correct here. There is no way for Ming to get straightened out until he goes back-to-back. This is the kind of hair shirt they tossed onto Kobe over the Shaq has one without you rigamarole. It was conjuried up up by Media and then carried forth by their minions of readers. Media though don't want no part of fitting Spurs Fandom with the back-to-back LESS hair shirt. Uh, uh, they just figured we Lakers Fandom wouldn't notice. To help keep us distracted they started that assholish every other year rigamarole Then the Mavs came along and kicked the Spurs ass and that went to .

    No back-to-back. No mercy. That's it.

    Let us proceed...


    Unfortunately, I am afraid it's come to that.
    Shame really. The Spurs have had some darn great teams but as fate would have it, could never really reach the level of greatness they probably deserved. Please Spurs fan don't construe this comment as a "back handed compliment" because it's not. Pull out your sports almanacs and look up any and all resources regarding "the greats". The greats at some point or another defend be it in the professional or collegiate level. What frustrates me is not that I am trying to convince a fan to do something that I think his team should accomplish. On the contrary. I am trying to shine light.

    I am a Dodger fan big time. Love them. But the realist in me knows that to call the L.A. Dodgers one of the best, as much as I am a huge fan, compared to the Yankees would be silly. They Yankess are IT. Can't put the Dodgers in that category.

    Self fallatio? Self gratification? Useless gauge to determine a great team? No it's not. Any normal die-hard sports fan wants his team to BE THE BEST AND TO HAVE THE MOST that's what us guys do as sports fans. To deny this is silly. Heck, we all come in here to this board to "brag".

    Again, I'll put a months salary (GS-12 grade level) betting that if The Spurs would have won one back to back, Spurs fan WOULD BE DEFENDING how doing this propels your team to another level. That's the norm.

    Since they haven't, not defending shouldn't be a determiner of how great a team is. It's psychological.
    Last edited by TheManFromAcme; 08-08-2009 at 10:51 AM.

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    No wonder why you guys hate Bryant so much, this guy was absolutely lethal against the spurs in these series.
    , I'm sure you opened up old wounds with this one. The Lakers humiliated the Spurs those seasons. The Lakers toyed with them and it was down right embarrassing for the spurs. I even felt sorry for them. Not!

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    West denied any invlovement. The memphis GM and owner denied any involvement. And nobody got robbed. All the collusion talk is nothing but sour grapes and conjecture.
    Of course they denied it. What do you expect them to do? Risk prison time or at the very least being banned from the NBA?

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    Bucks just may have gotten the better of that deal. We'll know from the posters on here come mid-season. better bring his A game.
    Even if Jefferson brings his "B" Game, it's still better than anything an ancient Kurt Thomas or post-heart suregry Fabricio Oberto could bring for the Spurs.

    It's a "can't lose" situation for the Spurs.

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    David could have played the last few months of the season. He was only scheduled to be out for 6 weeks after he had his surgery in Dec. I wont question his back problems, because honestly, anyone who has suffered from back pains know that's the worst injury you can have. But, following that season, he played the majority of the games year in and year out. I guess Duncan relieved the load off his back.
    Robinson's surgery was on December 27th. Best case scenario is he's back by mid February, but we've all seen with Yao and Ilgauskas how foot surgeries with 7 footers don't have your typical recovery time. Even if you only add 2 more weeks to his recovery, it's now close to March 1st with only 6 weeks left in the season. The Spurs have a record 13-43 on the season on Feb 28th.

    There was no guarantee they'd get Duncan, so why risk your one and ONLY franchise player by bringing him back from his first major surgery early when you only have 26 games left. Even if you go 26-0, you still finish 39-43, out of the playoffs.

    Oh, AND the Spurs won 7 more games in 6 weeks (March and April) (and lost another in OT) after David's 6-8 week recovery time had supposedly ended. 3 other games were lost by 5 points or less. Hardly the work of a team trying to tank.

    And what you Laker fans never noticed was that David's back pains never went away completely. Before every game for the rest of his career, the training staff went through an almost HOUR LONG stretching regimen with David to help keep his back from flaring up too bad.

    There were many games Pop would not put David back in because he had been sitting too long on the bench, so Pop did not want to risk David's back tightening up, and held him out of 4th quarters. He never played a full 82 games season again, missing a game here and there to rest his back. Many times during back to backs.

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    Many times during back to backs.
    Hey, Dunc, sweetheart, you never won back-to-back. Don't even start that , sonny.

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    Hey, Dunc, sweetheart, you never won back-to-back. Don't even start that , sonny.
    And neither did you. Do you REALLY want to go down this beaten path again, Cul?

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    Please. I've tripled & doubled.

    But, hey, you had that every other year thing goin' until the Mavs took it away 4-1.

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    1 + 0 + 1 + 0 +1 = 3
    1 + 1 + 1 + 0 + 0 = 3

    The les are 4 - 3 ...not trrying to restart an old debate here ...but winning in 200, 2001, 2002 and 2009 = 4, not 3.

    I can see BOTH sides of the argument here Spurs have a better won/loss record for the decade so they are THE MOST CONSISTENT of these teams ...but winning the BIG trophy is the bottomline and the truly GREAT franchises only put up banners for LOB's cause they are all THAT matter Lakers are the theam of the last decade because they won the most les ...

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    Of course they denied it. What do you expect them to do? Risk prison time or at the very least being banned from the NBA?
    Prison time? Banned from the NBA? Put the pipe down Dave. There are no laws or even NBA rules that say an unemployed ex GM can not give his input or insight to his former teams FO. What are you talking about? The owner of the Grizz was all for the trade... then in articles later even acknowledged they probably could have got more. There was nothing keeping him from saying... we took some bad advice. The trade was no more lopsided than the RJ trade. In fact... ill bet you the players and draft pics the Lakers traded for their all star will be contributing to teams in the NBA long after the players the Spurs traded for their all star are retired or forced out of the league.

    Hmmmm.... Let me think.... Do I take the word of one of the most honorable and distingguished men in the history of the NBA or a bunch of whiney y jealous fans. Hmmmm

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    Please. I've tripled & doubled.
    But, hey, you had that every other year thing goin' until the Mavs took it away 4-1.
    Not interested in what you've done with your sister, Cul.

    You don't play for the Lakers, never have, never will in your 50's. You jumped off the Suns wagon once the Lakers were better again.

    But hey, you're not the only "Good Time Charlie," so don't feel ashamed...

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    Prison time? Banned from the NBA? Put the pipe down Dave. There are no laws or even NBA rules that say an unemployed ex GM can not give his input or insight to his former teams FO. What are you talking about? The owner of the Grizz was all for the trade... then in articles later even acknowledged they probably could have got more. There was nothing keeping him from saying... we took some bad advice. The trade was no more lopsided than the RJ trade. In fact... ill bet you the players and draft pics the Lakers traded for their all star will be contributing to teams in the NBA long after the players the Spurs traded for their all star are retired or forced out of the league.

    Hmmmm.... Let me think.... Do I take the word of one of the most honorable and distingguished men in the history of the NBA or a bunch of whiney y jealous fans. Hmmmm
    Even honorable and distinguished men do things they aren't proud of. Of course they are going to deny doing something that would ruin that respected reputation. I'm not saying he did anything wrong, but I'm also not saying he didn't.

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    The les are 4 - 3 ...not trrying to restart an old debate here ...but winning in 200, 2001, 2002 and 2009 = 4, not 3.

    I can see BOTH sides of the argument here Spurs have a better won/loss record for the decade so they are THE MOST CONSISTENT of these teams ...but winning the BIG trophy is the bottomline and the truly GREAT franchises only put up banners for LOB's cause they are all THAT matter Lakers are the theam of the last decade because they won the most les ...
    i wasn't making a point about team of the decade (try reading the post to which i responded originally). Lakers can have team of the decade. it's a re ed award to begin with. it's time-based, not team-based. i'd rather debate eras (ie. the Tim Duncan Era, The Kobe Bryant Era). it's a better way of debating about franchises if you want to dice up their histories into small, comparable parts (because obviously the Lakers are the better franchise considering both their histories).

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    I'll take the bait. According to Spurs fans, the regular season counts for nothing. The Kobe era has produced 6 WC les, and 4 NBA les. The Duncan era has produced 4 WC les, and 4 NBA les. Head to head, the Kobe era has beat the Duncan era more times.
    you're absolutely correct about what you just said. if you'd bothered reading/comprehending at all what i've argued about in this thread, you'd have figured out that trying to prove me wrong on something i never denied in the first place is . my points were about the method(s) by which we measure greatness, not who's the greatest. quit wasting my time.

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    I'm not saying he did anything wrong, but I'm also not saying he didn't.
    tee, hee.

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    Not interested in what you've done with your sister, Cul.

    You don't play for the Lakers, never have, never will in your 50's. You jumped off the Suns wagon once the Lakers were better again.

    But hey, you're not the only "Good Time Charlie," so don't feel ashamed...
    No shame here, daddy-O. I got a total of 15. I keep 14 of them in my head. I keep two elsewhere: one is the catastrophe of '84. And then there is the deliverance of '85. Without the disaster of '84, nothing since woulda transpired as it has. Those two, Dunc--('84&'85)--they live in my heart and I'll take them to the grave.

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    Thread, it's been 5 years and since then you've become.

    Uber lazy
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    A parrot
    and less of a Phx Suns fan.

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