Unemployment for young Americans over 52%

[LnGrrrR]

It's funny how people in this forum say that terrorists and our founding fathers were of the same mold.
And yet my credibility is in question. NO chump, like always your an idiot.

He brought up a good point.

Let's run over the points you've shared.

A) You think it was moral to use a nuclear bomb on Japan.

B) You feel this way because you believe that citizens would have taken up arms against us, therefore making themselves a legal target.

C) You feel that Americans would also take up arms against foreign intruders.

Given A, B, and C, I don't see how you can't argue that it's also moral for terrorists to attack our 'civilians'. If you DO have a good logical reason, by all means, spell it out please.

[Wild Cobra]

I wasn't talking about unemployment. I seem to remember you and your mother living off government assistance.. food stamps or section 8. Do your nag your welfare queen mother the same way you nag people here who don't take government handouts?

Oh... I see...

Well you were referring to my mother, not me.

Get your together. I gave you the proper response to your statement. I didn't take those food stamps, I was just a child. My mother did. And only for a few weeks at that.

Are you re ed or something?

Besides, I never said I was against short term help for when people have problems in life. I am only against the system where people live in a dependent fashion. This must be the nth time I've said that now. Don't you lib s ever absorb factual information?

[LnGrrrR]

Oh... I see...

Well you were referring to my mother, not me.

Get your together. I gave you the proper response to your statement. I didn't take those food stamps, I was just a child. My mother did. And only for a few weeks at that.

Are you re ed or something?

Besides, I never said I was against short term help for when people have problems in life. I am only against the system where people live in a dependent fashion. This must be the nth time I';be said that now. Don't you lib s ever absorb factual information?

I have to back up WC here. The repeated slurs against his mother for being on welfare for a short amount of time don't seem to really jive with his criticism of long-term welfare recipients.

I'll take WC to task whenever I think he's trying to pull the wool over our eyes, but I don't think he deserves the venom that some posters here give him.

[Wild Cobra]

I have a job but am underemployed so i don't know where i satnd

Well, I'm underemployed too. I am only making about 75% of what I did in 2002.

[baseline bum]

Besides, I never said I was against short term help for when people have problems in life.

I'm just sick and tired of you liberals wanting the government to fix all your problems.

Hypocrite ing re

[boutons_deux]

underemployed means you aren't working 40 hours (eg, a full time job, but 4 x 8 hours/week, or a part-time job when you want a full-time job), not how much your full-time salary is compared to your previous jobs.

[Wild Cobra]

I have to back up WC here. The repeated slurs against his mother for being on welfare for a short amount of time don't seem to really jive with his criticism of long-term welfare recipients.

I'll take WC to task whenever I think he's trying to pull the wool over our eyes, but I don't think he deserves the venom that some posters here give him.

Thank-You.

Some of these people just really piss me off. No wonder they don't have a good job if this is how they treat their coworkers for no good reason.

[johnsmith]

I sort of doubt that the level of respect you garner on this board is equal to the level of respect that the 'Wild Cobra' bashers give to their co-workers..........

[baseline bum]

Thank-You.

Some of these people just really piss me off. No wonder they don't have a good job if this is how they treat their coworkers for no good reason.

you. Every post of yours is an insult calling someone a lib , so quit crying about how unfair everyone is to your moronic ass.

[LnGrrrR]

you. Every post of yours is an insult calling someone a lib , so quit crying about how unfair everyone is to your moronic ass.

True, but I do think there's a difference in insulting someone and insulting someone's mother. I know that no one is explicitly insulting WC's mother, but it does have the ring of classism to it (haha you were once poor!). Even if that's not what's meant (like, say a white person saying the N word... ok ok I'll admit it, I'm just searching for Yoni), it can still be taken that way.

[boutons_deux]

trash talking WC's mom because she's on welfare is wrong.

but WC's "conservative" at ude, like St Ronnie's, is that people on welfare are ripping off the system, they're losers, WTF is wrong with them they can't find a job, etc, etc. For all we know, WC's mom is a St Ronnie "welfare queen".

And the AEI and Heritage Foundation would also trash any losers on welfare as parasites, and not really "poor" (in Africa/India/China terms) because they have TV, fridge, cellphone, and car.

[johnsmith]

True, but I do think there's a difference in insulting someone and insulting someone's mother. I know that no one is explicitly insulting WC's mother, but it does have the ring of classism to it (haha you were once poor!). Even if that's not what's meant (like, say a white person saying the N word... ok ok I'll admit it, I'm just searching for Yoni), it can still be taken that way.

Slow down LnGrrrR, the basis upon which many hilarious jokes are born are due to one's mother.........and in this case, WC's mother.

[Wild Cobra]

underemployed means you aren't working 40 hours (eg, a full time job, but 4 x 8 hours/week, or a part-time job when you want a full-time job), not how much your full-time salary is compared to your previous jobs.

True, but I thought I'd point out things are as good for me as they used to be either. Going from a minimum variable $80 k to $114 k between 1997 and 2002 to what I have now has taken a few lifestyle changes I still have a hard time adjusting to. I can't just buy what I want anymore, I have to budget.

Don't get me wrong, I know I'm not special or anything, it's that nearly all jobs are paying less than before in real spending power. Between trade agreements, an overage of people willing to work for low wages here, and a punitive tax system... Things will only get worse. Especially with a congress and president that doesn't understand basic economics.

[LnGrrrR]

My point is.... surely the liberals on this board have plenty of ammo to bash WC with, without resorting to comments about his mother being on welfare. Can't we?

Can't we just slam his opinions with fact and reason, rather than resorting to remarks about people's family? Or at the least, just limit ourselves to slinging insults at WC himself? I'm pretty sure he can take it.

[baseline bum]

True, but I do think there's a difference in insulting someone and insulting someone's mother. I know that no one is explicitly insulting WC's mother, but it does have the ring of classism to it (haha you were once poor!). Even if that's not what's meant (like, say a white person saying the N word... ok ok I'll admit it, I'm just searching for Yoni), it can still be taken that way.

It's fair game. The guy complains that government shouldn't be swooping in and fixing peoples' problems at his expense, which isn't very consistent with how he had other peoples' taxes put the food on his table. More "Do as I say and not as I do" conservative crap.

[Wild Cobra]

you. Every post of yours is an insult calling someone a lib , so quit crying about how unfair everyone is to your moronic ass.

aaawww...

Therms of endearment.

Seriously though, I would prefer to have civil discussions. People like you, Chump, and a few others just really agitate me. Care to try to stay civil, and I will too.

Funny, Clam used to really piss me off. He's mellowed a bit though. I can actually have conversations with him.

At least I'm not ignoring you like I am Chump. I'm tired of his type of harassment. He just never stops.

[Wild Cobra]

My point is.... surely the liberals on this board have plenty of ammo to bash WC with, without resorting to comments about his mother being on welfare. Can't we?

Can't we just slam his opinions with fact and reason, rather than resorting to remarks about people's family? Or at the least, just limit ourselves to slinging insults at WC himself? I'm pretty sure he can take it.

Yes, slam me, not my friends or family.

[LnGrrrR]

It's fair game. The guy complains that government shouldn't be swooping in and fixing peoples' problems at his expense, which isn't very consistent with how he had other peoples' taxes put the food on his table. More "Do as I say and not as I do" conservative crap.

True, but I don't think he's ever said he's against welfare in total; just against the "welfare queens" as it were. Of course, I disagree on the amount of true "welfare queens" out there, but that's a different issue.

WC has said a few times that he supports welfare on a limited basis as an emergency social fund.

And even if it WERE fair game (which I don't think it is), why should we resort to that? The discourse is crude enough here, must we lower it more?

Call me a pearl clutcher, or perhaps a concern troll. But I'd like to think that not using family members to insult each other would be better for this board in general.

[nuclearfm]

True, but I don't think he's ever said he's against welfare in total; just against the "welfare queens" as it were. Of course, I disagree on the amount of true "welfare queens" out there, but that's a different issue.

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How do we define a welfare queen? Does being someone's mom exclude you from that label?

[LnGrrrR]

How do we define a welfare queen? Does being someone's mom exclude you from that label?

I would think a 'welfare queen' is a person that stays on welfare for a long time, without putting forth much effort to find a job. Going on and off welfare multiple times would also probably count.

[baseline bum]

True, but I don't think he's ever said he's against welfare in total; just against the "welfare queens" as it were. Of course, I disagree on the amount of true "welfare queens" out there, but that's a different issue.

WC has said a few times that he supports welfare on a limited basis as an emergency social fund.

And even if it WERE fair game (which I don't think it is), why should we resort to that? The discourse is crude enough here, must we lower it more?

Call me a pearl clutcher, or perhaps a concern troll. But I'd like to think that not using family members to insult each other would be better for this board in general.

How is it not fair game? If I turn out to run a restaurant that hires illegals and pays them $4 and hour, it would be completely fair to call me out on my hypocrisy because of it. Yet WC constantly es about the welfare state and how its not government's responsibility to help people who make bad decisions or have bad situations thrust onto them. It's hypocritical as .

[LnGrrrR]

How is it not fair game? If I turn out to run a restaurant that hires illegals and pays them $4 and hour, it would be completely fair to call me out on my hypocrisy because of it. Yet WC constantly es about the welfare state and how its not government's responsibility to help people who make bad decisions or have bad situations thrust onto them. It's hypocritical as .

And what if your Dad did it, and by doing so, was able to afford to send you to school?

Would it still be hypocritical if you wanted to restrict immigration opportunities then?

Some would argue it is, I would argue it isn't. You can appreciate what a situation did for you while disagreeing with it.

As well, there is a difference between complaining about a 'welfare state', where people come to expect money from the government for long amounts of time, and welfare as a short-term emergency fund to prevent destruction of wealth until another job is found.

[Wild Cobra]

How do we define a welfare queen? Does being someone's mom exclude you from that label?

The people who regularly live off the public dole rather improving themselves for self sufficiency. The handicapped and elderly I an fine with long term help. Otherwise, any government subsidies should be for short term only. Not a lifestyle.

[clambake]

i've always referred to you as "the welfare baby".

many on this forum would bash a woman on welfare for having babies they cannot afford.

just remember that.

[spursncowboys]

I understand perfectly. You don't think there are any civilians in war if there would be a substantial civilian resistance to attack.

If you want to back away from that contention, be my guest. People are free to flip-flop if they choose.

Im not flip flopping. I never said there aren't any civilians in war... I already said what I think. Im not explaining to you wht is already on the board.