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    You guys should waive him. He does nothing well. He is an overrated defender (I would say mediocre at best), TERRIBLE finisher and mediocre 3pt shooter. All he does is camp at the 3pt line and if someone runs him off he doesn't know what to do b/c he can't hit layups. You should hope they give one of your younger guns a shot. Bogans is garbage.

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    Clippers would definitely do it IMO, they're going to lose Camby anyways..I wouldn't do it though for the Spurs..I'm very high on both Blair and Hill, even for this season..

    Just looking around the league at some bigs, I'm not really sure who else we could get though..

    Brendan Haywood would be perfect, but he would only be a 1-year rental, so I wouldn't give up Hill and/or Blair for him, which is what we would have to give up no matter what..

    Gortat would be nice, although he's overpaid, but I don't think Orlando would just dump him..

    Marc Gasol would be fine too, but I don't think the Lakers would allow their farm team to salary dump him to us..

    Kaman is very possible, but I'm just not a fan of his game at all, and he has heavily struggled against Bynum..

    Biedrins and Turiaf are both overrated as defenders, but I guess it could be a possibility..

    I can't really think of anything else off the top of my head..another salary dump doesn't look likely for a quality big man..only the Lakers seem to get those..
    Indiana is going to have to move at least one of Ford, Dunleavy, Murphy, or Foster in order to avoid the tax in 2010-11.

    IMO, Foster's defense, rebounding, and contract would fit well.

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    ^ ^ That'd be the type of option I'd like to see; one that enhances a weakness without weakening a strength.

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    Indiana is going to have to move at least one of Ford, Dunleavy, Murphy, or Foster in order to avoid the tax in 2010-11.

    IMO, Foster's defense, rebounding, and contract would fit well.
    So Foster or Murphy im assuming?

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    Indiana is going to have to move at least one of Ford, Dunleavy, Murphy, or Foster in order to avoid the tax in 2010-11.

    IMO, Foster's defense, rebounding, and contract would fit well.
    moutainballer and I have been pushing for this in the Jeff Foster thread for months now. Adding Foster would give us the best defensive/rebounding front line in the league.

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    Dude hustle's ill give him that. Personally I like Murphy, He is the greater matt bonner.

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    Dude hustle's ill give him that. Personally I like Murphy, He is the greater matt bonner.
    His contract is horrible though. With Foster we would get a solid rotation big for around the market price.

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    He makes way too much money. Dampier for Murphy would be interesting for Dallas.

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    He makes way too much money. Dampier for Murphy would be interesting for Dallas.
    Dirk
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    D'Antoni's dream team.

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    Foster will retire a Pacer.

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    Foster will retire a Pacer.
    We'll see. Anything is possible if they become desperate to get under the tax line.

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    The reason I like Murphy is cause he hustle's/rebounds and he is not just a 3pt shooter, He can hit the mid-range jumper and to a certain extent put the ball on the floor. the spurs can have Foster rebound and hustle but he cant space the floor.

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    Dirk
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    D'Antoni's dream team.
    That would be a damn scary team. Plenty of size and tons and tons of offense and rebounding. If you have Howard in that line-up, with Terry and Gooden off of the bench, that team could score a ton of points.

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    We'll see. Anything is possible if they become desperate to get under the tax line.
    yes. a lot will happen till December 15th and even more till February 19th 2010.(or whatever the deadline date is). tax will be one issue, the other will be dumping of season and rebuilding considerations, especially of borderline PO teams, that find they won't make the cut.
    the Pacers are exactly such a team IMO. and there is the announcement, that Larry Bird will quit after this season. so this team will for sure go in a new direction from summer 2010, but there is a good chance they start with rebuilding moves right at the moment, when they are out of the East PO race. their big year will be 2011, when the contracts of Murphy, Dunleavy, Ford, Tinsley and Foster expire and they get tons of cap space, but they will also go the Blazer/Thunder route and try to stockpile as many picks as possible. Foster will be 34 when his contract expires 2011, so he doesn't look like a natural fit for a team that starts (almost) from scratch. even if there were always talks about Foster being a life time Pacer, this might change quickly, when they a) try to avoid lux tax in 2010-2011 and b) think about the teams future.
    so, I can see him on the market at deadline and the price will be: expiring contracts AND a pick. and the team that offers the best pick, will get the price. considering Foster only makes sense for a contender, this pick won't be much better than what also the Spurs could offer. but the deal won't happen without picks and it won't happen with 2nd rounders, as some always indicate. (multiple 2nd rounders maybe). it would be pretty much exactly the kind of deal that brought us Kurt Thomas.

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    This is also worth mentioning if it hasn’t been stated yet, Spurs won’t cut him nor should they he is a proven player... Spurs should also keep Hairston even though he hasn’t put up godly numbers he's an athlete & good fit for spurs.. Now Williams and Jerrells i haven’t seen much from them (Williams) especially I have watched all preseason games up to now and during game time they haven’t shown much worth mentioning. I have noticed their playing time cut back significantly the last 2 games. So I would assume they are on the chopping block…..

    And if we were going off strictly preseason stats that might mean we’d cut Ginobli & Jefferson too, because they haven’t put up numbers worth mentioning either…… So take preseason for what its purpose is designed for. Merely a time to get back in shape for the regulars and give new guys a chance to shine….

    And if you don’t well it’s a business and we all now what happens to the unlucky ones….
    Yap you guessed it shipped off to Austin (oh that is so terrible) to play the sport they love and get paid for it, still making more than 75% of us in the state of Texas…..

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    The reason I like Murphy is cause he hustle's/rebounds and he is not just a 3pt shooter, He can hit the mid-range jumper and to a certain extent put the ball on the floor...
    You just described what everyone thought of Bonner before he got here...
    What nobody asked is: How's his defense?

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    That would be a damn scary team. Plenty of size and tons and tons of offense and rebounding. If you have Howard in that line-up, with Terry and Gooden off of the bench, that team could score a ton of points.
    Still cannot play a lick of defense.

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    How's his defense?
    Solid nowadays.

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    Marc Stein: Perimeter defense is NOT something the Spurs ignoring. Hence the signing of Bogans if it turns out that they are more vulnerable there than they anticipated andthey have to find a way to get him into the rotation. But upgrading in other areas was a bigger priority.
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/previe...Spurs-Live0910

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    I agree, this signing doesn't make much sense at all. If Pop wanted someone with NBA experience that can play some defense he should've just held on Udoka or resigned Bruce Bowen. Either of those two also had the advantage of having extensive experience with the spurs system.

    Overall, the Bogans' signing is a stain on what had been a perfect off season of moves.
    Come on now this dude won't hurt or make or break this dude, if he is that bad he will just sit and stay there (Hopefully but knowing Pop sometimes lol).

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    I would like a deal in which we can get Jeff Foster/Dahntay Jones from the Pacers and give up our expiring contracts. Jeff Foster is 6-11 and is solid on the boards and is pretty good defensively. He is also a pretty good passer as well which would be good for the slashers/cutters we have on the team ( RJ/Manu ). Dahntay Jones is legitimately athletic and can DUNK ( windmills and some other stuff that spursfans see from the oppositions players ). He can't really shoot that well, but he can put it on the floor for a drive. If the spurs can pull that kind of trade they would be covered.

    G - Parker / Hill
    G - Jones / Manu
    C - Duncan / Foster
    F - RJ / Hairston
    F - Mcdyess / Blair

    and then the other situational guys like Haislip/Ratliff.

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    He has a certain pride in playing Defense. Last year he was with Denver, who was obviously a better defensive team then we were last year. Since he is motivated to Play D; Pop can train him and work with him to the point to where he can start at the 2 and play 20-25 minutes and get hustle plays to.

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    This is a prime example when fans don't know what the they are talking about.

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    I think it's time we started trusting Pop a little more. The right players are being played and the wrong one's are
    being benched.

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    Pre-season record:

    21 minutes, 0 out of 6
    13 minutes, 0 out of 3
    21 minutes, 1 out of 5

    All his shots, except for one of them are from the 3point line.

    So, apparently the Spurs he wants him to fire from the 3point line.

    Okay, then what is his career averages from that range?

    0.350 3P%

    Not really that great.

    Now let's look at his playoff record. In 07-08 he hit an even worse:

    0.333 3P% that's playing 29.3 minutes per game.

    Again, nothing to write home about.

    Well Bogans once has a game where he hauled down 12 rebounds. But let's look at his record:

    3.2 rebounds per game. Decent for a guard, same rebound rate as Udoka.

    All I can really conclude about Bogans is that he's about as good as Udoka. He's physically about the same. However, Udoka prior to being signed by the Spurs had a career 0.406 from the 3pt line in the previous season.

    All I can really say in his defense is that he didn't turn over the ball much. 1 TO for 23.4 MPG. But maybe that's just the result of his style of play.

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