Liz Cheney Says

[Doug Reese]

If he's a troll he is a mighty good one.

Why thank you . . . . umm, err, IF I was a troll. . . . . which I am not.

Actually, it's either that, or "He isn't Doug Reese" that is usually the response in these situations.

Pehaps it's a good way to avoid discussing the facts (or lies) of the matter.

Doug Reese

PS. Is it just me, or there a problem typing on this site?

[Shastafarian]

Why thank you . . . . umm, err, IF I was a troll. . . . . which I am not.

Actually, it's either that, or "He isn't Doug Reese" that is usually the response in these situations.

That's basically the same thing. Some people think you're someone else "trolling" as Doug Reese.

Pehaps it's a good way to avoid discussing the facts (or lies) of the matter.

Doug Reese

PS. Is it just me, or there a problem typing on this site?

I'm not having any issues.

[sook]

does being the duaghter of the most Evil piece of on the planet make her evil too?

People give W. far too much credit for his faults. Its was this 's piece of father that doomed this nation. I hope that man takes in the flames of well.

[symple19]

I'm not disputing any of the things Mr. umm,err, Reese is saying. I'm mainly curious why someone would be compelled to continue arguing these points long after Sen Kerry has become irrelevant on the national political scene. Well, maybe not irrelevant, but certainly a non-issue in regards to him climbing to any higher office.

If you're stopping in to argue with the likes of Wild Cobra, you're better off arguing with a tree. Perhaps your ego is a little deflated now that you are no longer in the discussion about Mr. Kerry, and thus not relevant yourself? So you troll message boards to set the record straight with half brain idealogues like Wild Cobra? Hilarious.

Like I said, good troll

[Doug Reese]

I'm not disputing any of the things Mr. umm,err, Reese is saying. I'm mainly curious why someone would be compelled to continue arguing these points long after Sen Kerry has become irrelevant on the national political scene. Well, maybe not irrelevant, but certainly a non-issue in regards to him climbing to any higher office.

If you're stopping in to argue with the likes of Wild Cobra, you're better off arguing with a tree. Perhaps your ego is a little deflated now that you are no longer in the discussion about Mr. Kerry, and thus not relevant yourself? So you troll message boards to set the record straight with half brain idealogues like Wild Cobra? Hilarious.

Like I said, good troll

You're en led to your opinion.

The relevance of what did, or did not happen, and the lies told about this subject is always relevant to those of us who were there.

It isn't about the election, or the national political scene.

You know nothing about my ego, and I never was "in the discussion".

I do agree with your comment about trees, though

Doug Reese

[Wild Cobra]

I didn't say what boat I was on. Why don't you just ask directly?

I was an Army advisor. I didn't have a boat. We lived in a village. I was on different boats for the times (perhaps 8-10) we went out with the Swifts.

I as because I found supporting evidence that a Doug Reese was on a particular boat when in action to get a Bronze Star. Wanted to see if your recollection matched the number. I guess if you were on several, it could be difficult.

I served 11 years, and I in no way want to discredit you if you were really there. I think you can understand with the lies and deceit that senator Kerry has been caught at over the years, it is easy to believe the stories negative about him.

Would you agree he sure was there for a short period and only had one injury that most people would consider deserving a Purple Heart?

Would you agree that being assigned to a Fast Patrol Craft was a relatively safe assignment until they changed it's mission in 1968?

There is also information showing good cir stantial evidence that Kerry was given a discharge action that took away his medals. Not only were they reinstated when he joined congress, but his discharge authority and date are in question. The discharge authority being of the same section of a bill authorizing status changed for deserters and other actions in the military. This has been do ented, and Kerry has not allowed the question to be properly answered. I think it's about 100 pages of his records that are still not released.

Point is, this dishonesty and cir stance makes the disbelief of Kerrty as bad soldier continue.

[Doug Reese]

I as because I found supporting evidence that a Doug Reese was on a particular boat when in action to get a Bronze Star. Wanted to see if your recollection matched the number. I guess if you were on several, it could be difficult.

I served 11 years, and I in no way want to discredit you if you were really there. I think you can understand with the lies and deceit that senator Kerry has been caught at over the years, it is easy to believe the stories negative about him.

Would you agree he sure was there for a short period and only had one injury that most people would consider deserving a Purple Heart?

Would you agree that being assigned to a Fast Patrol Craft was a relatively safe assignment until they changed it's mission in 1968?

There is also information showing good cir stantial evidence that Kerry was given a discharge action that took away his medals. Not only were they reinstated when he joined congress, but his discharge authority and date are in question. The discharge authority being of the same section of a bill authorizing status changed for deserters and other actions in the military. This has been do ented, and Kerry has not allowed the question to be properly answered. I think it's about 100 pages of his records that are still not released.

Point is, this dishonesty and cir stance makes the disbelief of Kerry as bad soldier continue.

I don't know how to do the multi-quote thing, so please bear with me while I reply, point by point.

There was only one Doug Reese involved in any of this. For the Silver Star action (Feb 28), I was on the 23 boat, which was commanded by Don Droz. Don was probably Kerry's closest friend in Vietnam. He was killed April 12, just six weeks after that incident.

I was with the Swifts for most of the day of the Bronze Star incident (Mar 13), but not when the actual incident for which he was awarded the medal occured. That happened after we had spent the morning up the same canal where the Silver Star incident happened. We were dropped off at our village, and then a few minutes later, as they headed out, one of the boats hit a mine.

I don't know for sure which boat I was on, but I know it wasn't Kerry's or Thurlow's, since they had Jim Rassmann (the SF guy) and his Nung's. That leaves Don Droz again . . . . and whoever the other Swift Boat was. The guess is that it was Droz's boat again.

All of his PHs were clearly deserved. If you cut through the BS of the Swift Boat Veterans for "truth", that is.

Ahh, the "Swifts were safe" smokescreen that is a favorite of the anti-Kerry crowd. Here's the problems with that . . . . . . first of all, something like 85% of the guys in VN were not in a combat situation. The vast majority never fired their weapon or saw the enemy.

When the Swifts were doing coastal patrol (this is the period you are talking about), it was far from safe. While not the most dangerous job, it did have something that was possible as part of their daily mission -- meeting up with the enemy. Most jobs in VN were much safer.

More later, as my computer is freezing up for some reason . . . .

Doug Reese