Time to trade Tony Parker

[ChumpDumper]

i feel you. I actually feel responsible for taking the lid off, I think Timvp and Kori tried to avoid this very thing, and I feel like I forced them to open the door, and now its like flood gates. I feel kinda bad to tell you the truth. I actually just wanted to express my opinion (and I never advocated trading Parker), but now I feel like I should have kept my mouth shut.

Then again, you could also say that if these views weren't kept under wraps by Timvp/Kori for so long, they might not be blowing up right now.

You think you are the first poster who ever floated the idea of trading Tony?

[FkLA]

I hate the moronic, asinine Parker haters who conveniently ignore every stat or legitimate point made in the discussion to talk about how "THEY KNOW" that Parker is the cancer that's killing this team, not the fact that Duncan has been struggling in the 2nd half, or that Manu wasn't even our 3rd best player for most of the season. I hate that they (you) think they can list a single stat or clumsily recite a tired mechanic OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER, and because their idiotic ass said it 15,000 times and got it backed by 27 other 14 year old morons who have never played basketball past junior high that they think, somehow, that their Manu Ginobili avataring, French hating, "pure" point guard touting, George Hill fellatio-ing, Forrest Gump rivaling basketball I.Q. is somewhat valuable or verified. It isn't. You're still a moron.

Shut.

THE .

UP.

WE GET IT. You think Parker sucks. You state nothing new with each successive post except to talk about how Manu is better than God. Shut. Up.

lolol point proven yet again, instead of actually arguing the points made let me just resort to calling "TP haters" idiots with no basketball knowledge!!!

Take your Parker fanboy sunglasses off for a minute...noone is saying Hill > Parker or that Parker hasnt been a big part of this teams great run throughout almost the entire decade, or even that his contributions this year arent welcome. Simply that TD needs help in the frontcourt, and that Hill's emergence (something that you fanboys still downplay out of loyalty to TP btw) has afforded this team the luxury of making TP expendable. Take Tony's balls out of your face and maybe you wouldnt assume re ed and make yourself look like a moron.

That's always the part that puzzles me..

The people here that hate Parker always criticize him for not being a good enough passer, but then they praise Hill for the way he plays offense..Hill makes Tony look like John Stockton as a passer..

I understand liking Hill's superior shooting and occasional defense, but it's always funny when they bring up his passing and ball movement, as if he's a good passer(he might not even be above average IMO)..

He isnt a better playmaker, but I think what people are mostly referring to is that the ball doesnt stagnate when it goes to him...he wont dribble the ball out for long periods of time anywhere near as often as TP does. Basically ball movement is pretty constant.

[Mikesatx]

And didnt you watch TP during last night's game? He was getting into the paint at will and dishing it off to open teammates like Bonner for the open 3. People who want to trade TP are ing nuts because most likely the Spurs wouldnt end up with someone of equal value anyway...

It isn't about getting equal value. It is about improving the team. When we traded Antonio Daniels for Steve Kerr I think most would agree Daniels was the better player. He certainly was more athletic and younger but the trade improved the team.

This has never been about making Parker the scapegoat or even suggesting he is not a good borderline great player. Having limited resources as every team does can the Spurs take his 12 mil salary and parlay that into players that make the Spurs a stronger team. Many on this board including me say yes.

[tothrowed]

yall dumb hill plays d parker lets people get rite by him, and its been that way his whole carer, hill > parker

[MateoNeygro]

yall dumb hill plays d parker lets people get rite by him, and its been that way his whole carer, hill > parker

you are stupid if you really think hill is better than parker. I love hill and i love manu. I'm no fanboy of either but that's ing stupid.

[tothrowed]

you are stupid if you really think hill is better than parker. I love hill and i love manu. I'm no fanboy of either but that's ing stupid.

im talkin about as of rite now hill is better than parker, parker can get to the basket and score but thats all he can do he cant play d at all

[MateoNeygro]

im talkin about as of rite now hill is better than parker, parker can get to the basket and score but thats all he can do he cant play d at all

Don't get me wrong I like Hill as much as the next guy. I agree Hill plays better D. However he's not nearly as good at scoring as Parker.

[MateoNeygro]

What makes people say he "cant" play d? He's average if not a little better on d. He doesn't regularly get scorched by opposing PG's but he does scorch opposing defenders.

[spurs4real]

Ok some perople just dont get what a pass means.

Passing the ball doesnt mean an assist all the time. Passing means dare I say "ball movement" loook at the irst quarter of this denver game and what do we see? TP getting his and not moving the ball around. All forced shots by him.

Wake up people, its a buisness and not a loyalty game. Ball moves and flows better with Hill and in Manu's hands.

And for those who say Im just a noob, sure youre right I dont have many posts here but I know a whole lot more that u think i do.

[spurs4real]

Also to add, Pay attention, please try, when Pakers running the team how the ball stays with him and everyone is left standing, and watch how when Manu runs the team, or dare I say Temple runs the team, how the ball move all over the place till we get a good pecentage shot.

[dbestpro]

What makes people say he "cant" play d? He's average if not a little better on d. He doesn't regularly get scorched by opposing PG's.

Huh? We are talking about the guard that has Parker printed on his back. It is easly to know it is him because you can see his name each time a guard drives past him.

[Nathan Explosion]

Also to add, Pay attention, please try, when Pakers running the team how the ball stays with him and everyone is left standing, and watch how when Manu runs the team, or dare I say Temple runs the team, how the ball move all over the place till we get a good pecentage shot.

Every time I've seen Parker in the game, it looks like he's looking to pass the ball more than shoot. In the Grizz game he had some beautiful assists to Blair and Bonner where he got in the lane, drew 3 defenders to the paint and made a great pass.

[Parker2112]

You think you are the first poster who ever floated the idea of trading Tony?

Reading comp fail. Please try again.

[ChumpDumper]

Reading comp fail. Please try again.

You think you are the first poster ever to be critical of Tony and how he is used on the team to the point where you are open to trading him?

The emoticons still stand.

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe you think you are the first to complain about Kori and LJ.

Or the first to try high post count smack.

[jesterbobman]

I don't get the massive backlash against TP(I know that's just the way it is). Typically (though not as much this year) he's a hyper efficient scorer. 50% Shooting is about all you can expect, and his aggresiveness open up passing lanes for the drive and dish game. Sure, he's not perfect in this regard, but alot of PG's aren't. While he's not pass first, He's not an innefficient gunner in the Iverson type. Would I trade Parker for Paul or Williams, guys who can do both those things? Sure, but probably not anyone else, considering Parkers pedigree, and efficiency when fully healthy(look at PER for the last few seasons)

[Waps1980]

Every time I've seen Parker in the game, it looks like he's looking to pass the ball more than shoot. In the Grizz game he had some beautiful assists to Blair and Bonner where he got in the lane, drew 3 defenders to the paint and made a great pass.

I agree but is that because his shooting touch isn't there yet or because he's trying to adjust to a new plying style to help the team?

[santymrc]

I love TP, and I dont think we should be searching for a trade. Pop needs to make him play D and that's it, the rest of his game looks ok -he's slower than ever, but I believe he's gonna get back his full speed next year-.
Regardless, I want TP to play D. He's not doing anything at D. I mean, nothing, he brings only problems at the D and that's what's hurting the team. Nash ate him for breakfast, Mem too. Teams feast on his lowsy D, they have done that the entire year, and now that he's back, it's happening again.
TP needs to play D, period. He never excelled at D, but man, he played great D for the past 5 years, he can be better at it.

I said D so many times that now its stucked at the bottom of the keyboard
lol
haha.

[ducks]

The issue is Tony continues to play for France every summer, with injuries hitting him the following NBA season (or sometimes during the summer, and carrying over to the NBA season).

If he's not going to commit to the organization paying him $15 million a year, it shouldn't commit to him.

lets see what manu does

[santymrc]

lets see what manu does

He already stated he wont play for Argentina at World Cup.

[spursfan1000]

I would say if we don't win championship this year we should trade him. I know that there is a very low chance of us winning it all but Parker may be our last chance to get some young talent to rebuild, George Hill looks like he can possibly be great in a couple years to be as good as Parker was when he made all star team a couple years back.

Trading Parker for a solid guard and a couple draft picks would be smart in my book.

[tothrowed]

I would say if we don't win championship this year we should trade him. I know that there is a very low chance of us winning it all but Parker may be our last chance to get some young talent to rebuild, George Hill looks like he can possibly be great in a couple years to be as good as Parker was when he made all star team a couple years back.

Trading Parker for a solid guard and a couple draft picks would be smart in my book.

finally someone said the rite thing

[duhoh]

lots of intelligence in this thread.

who is the solution then? who is a "solid guard" that we can get for parker? offer a solution before you sprout off criticism, as any idiot can do that. think you're a GM? don't make me uncontrollably giggle.

the reality?

SA is keeping Parker. Hill is not a replacement.

[SuperManu!!!]

Trade TP for a big man like Brook Lopez. We need a true center to make the transition like duncan-robinson. Ghill can be the starting PG and temple as backup. We don't need chubby PG with no defense. I don't care what numbers say, you can see it that the offense with Parker is slowwwwww

[spurs4real]

I would say if we don't win championship this year we should trade him. I know that there is a very low chance of us winning it all but Parker may be our last chance to get some young talent to rebuild, George Hill looks like he can possibly be great in a couple years to be as good as Parker was when he made all star team a couple years back.

Trading Parker for a solid guard and a couple draft picks would be smart in my book.

Exactly what Ive been saying except we need a true center.