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come on barry so us how stupid we are for calling you out!
That in popovich......You guys seem convinced that he just stands in the corners watching the game because he wants to, not because he's been directed to do so, but I'm not.
come on barry so us how stupid we are for calling you out!
Remember that OT win over Suns last jan? Brent's clutch shooting was awesome...mabe he just need a chance to prove himself!
besides..... hes much more than just a shooter, hes underrated this year because the spurs singed him for his shooting
THE PLAYOFFS ARE NOT OVER ---stlill believe in him
manu is shooting great 3s
Every time he's been involved in the clutch he's come up big. But because he doesn't have a 25 under Points Per Game, some people refuse to recognize his contributions to the team.
I realize he is shooting less, and I'm not happy with that either. But how have some of the other players, like Ginobili, Parker and Duncan's shots per 48 numbers been affected? I'm still waiting for someone to find a stat for touches, surely someone keeps track of that. Just watching the games, it seems to me like Brent Barry gets very few touches, except for the rare stretch here and there where he runs the point (and generally builds up a pretty nice lead), and Game 2.
Brent Barry gets crapped on because his name isn't Devin Brown or Malik Rose.Looking at the 2005 playoff stats (only 6 games), Brent is shooting:
43% FG (about same as Tony 44%), about avg for the backcourt Spurs.
36% 3G (4th behind Manu, Robert, Bruce, but much better than Tony)
I just don't see where Brent is having such a horrible playoffs that deserve to be pissed on, justifying his own piss-on-Brent thread.
Brent shooting 15-16 shots/game would have BETTER results than Tony, due to Brent much better 3G %age. And of course Brent 90% FT is 50% better than Tony's 60%.
For what Brent does, he does with perfecctly acceptable results. The only serious complaint is that he isn't doing enough of it.
As for his shots per minutes since becoming a starter, the guy is basically the fourth option on offense behind Tim, Tony, and Bruce. Is it crazy to expect him to put up less shots with that group?
As for Beno and Big Dog, you're talking about two guys who are largely playing with a second unit that doesn't have a go to guy and runs a much more fluid offensive set than the starters.
amazing what beno and barry can run against second string from other teams
So head coaches don't direct players on the floor anymore? Brent Barry stands in the corner watching the game on the jumbotron because he likes it there, not because the play has him standing there waiting for kickouts that never come? Brent decided that ball movement and perimeter passing were overrated, so he decided it was better for the team if he just stood there and watched the inside-out game between Duncan and Parker/Ginobili? It's all Brent Barry, and Pop has nothing to do with his decline in San Antonio? So tell me T Park, what is the head coach's job, besides to take credit when the team barely survives a fourth quarter collapse and makes it out with the W?
If you would watch game 1 this year you would know.
Popovich has given Brent Barry the green light to do WHAT HE WANTS.
Drive, shoot, WHATEVER.
No shot, is a bad shot, no move to the hole is a bad move with Brent Barry.
But, keep talkin out your ass Sonics fan.
Popovich is making him shoot about 20 percent from the 3 point line??It's all Brent Barry, and Pop has nothing to do with his decline in San Antonio?
Good one.
I just skimmed this thread, but it was mentioned already I think...
Barry is one of those guys who needs the ball in his hands to be effective. He is horribly miscast (like a whole host of other FA acquisitions the last several years) as a spot up shooter in our inside-out offense.
Doesn't mean he sucks, just that Pop and RC aren't going to have any more luck forcing this square peg into their round spot up hole than they have had with several other guys the past 5-6 years.
Still waiting for Whottt to come up with the numbers that he promised.
ha, that, and NBADan posting a postive George W Bush thread will happen at the same time.
I still want to know if this was true or just a lie. Either way, it would be interesting.
Easy there...it takes time, and when someone wants you to do it, it's like work, kinda like you and the grades you know? And believe it or not my cable was out for the last 2 days. You guys only notice me when I post a lot, not when I don't...sometimes I can't. I am working on it though...
Before we begin...
#1. The first thing I want you to do is take away Hedo's best game against the Grizzlies. Just like you took away Brent Barry's best game against the Nuggets. That would be game 3 VS Memphis.
#2The second thing I want you to do is look at what Stephen Jackson shot against the Lakers in 03 and see just how much credit you want to give him for enabling us to finally beat the Lakers...he does deserve credit...but he doesn't deserve it for anything he shot against them...
He deserves it for tearing them up in the regular season that year making sure that Phil would not double off of him. Manu was the difference VS LA. The reason we lost is that Bowen punished LA in 03 when they tried to double off him in 03...Last season he didn't. Jack punished them in the regular season, Hedo didn't. Hedo was dared to shoot...Jack never was.
And contrary to what you guys seem to be seeing...the Nuggets were not doubling off Barry and daring him to shoot like Phil did to Hedo last season...
I am still doing the PBP...to prove Barry helped our offense...
But first...Barry does not have a negative +/-, he's got a negative per, it's different, one that is pretty easily explained when you take into account all the late fouls Denver took trailing late in the game to get the ball back...
Secondly...I don't think Hedo lead in +/-, I think he lead in Sagarin ratings, and there is a slight differrence. In any case, Manu and Duncan were both ranked highly in the same category...and Hedo did play well in the regular season so it doesn't surprise me.
Last edited by whottt; 05-09-2005 at 12:54 AM.
Also...since you guys have labeled Barry as being afraid to shoot...
I would very much like you to find another Spur that has jacked up 3.5 3pa's per game playing only 21 mins per game.
Good luck.
I know, but Barry, the career 40% 3 point shooter, is open all day long.
All well and good but still waiting on ...
It sounded like you already had the numbers. So were you guessing?If told you guys what the +/- break down was in the second half of games after we pullled Barry, you guys would think I hated just about every Spur...
Virtually every time we pulled him the Nuggets made a run on us...a substantial run.
Sounds like a bunch of excuses for why you can't explain how Brent Barry doesn't suck.
No I wasn't guessing...
It's pretty simple actually...Barry is the second highest rated starter in per and +/-. Duncan, Bowen, and Mohammed, 3 starters, had the worst per ratings on the team.
Who was the starter that wasn't closing out games and didn't play in our loss?
Who replaced Duncan when we went on that big OT run?
Actually...it sounds like you need your ears cleaned...you might want to do that after you remove your head from your rear end.
I don't have to defend Barry from sucking...because he doesn't suck...he only "sucks" when you take his best game away and compare him to others players without doing the same to them.
And you are confusing per and +/-.
why are you hanging onto this one best game? doesn't he have another one for you to make stats up about?
i have to stick to my guns, a glock 17
What stats did I make up?
The only one making up stats in this thread was TimVP...take away Barry's best game and then use his stats to attempt to show him as being inferior to other players, who haven't had their best games removed.
That's called making stats up.
Why does Brent Barry only have 1 good game?
This is too much Brent Barry talk for me. Sometimes you just have to walk away from a subject.
How is it making up stats to point to games where the Spurs up by triple figures? Hitting some meaningless shots in the second half of games that have been over by the first quarter don't do anything to prove a player's worthiness.
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