Kevin Durant is not yet a superstar

[cobbler]

Mission accomplished. Harlem obviously not a homer deserves a real response.

ChrisRichards aka the predictable obsessor!

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goodnight all

[ChrisRichards]

Kobe did'nt win MVP because his team could'nt even crack 50 wins. It has nothing to do with his Colorado incident, be serious for a minute. Nash won because he made his teammates better and had the best record to boot. The following year proved his worth as the Suns replicated their success despite missing Amare Stoudemire. Lebron and Wade finished higher than Kobe those years not because of the "colorado incident" but due to their better understanding the winning perspective of the game, which is more than scoring. The definition of MVP was not to put the most points in a single season.




The MVP profile has'nt changed eversince, the notion that "scorers" always have an advantage is an absolute fallacy. The past 10 winners shows that only 3 real scorers have won it. Duncan, Nash and Garnett won the rest. Guess what, none of those are scorers rather they bring a well put together dimensions of their game. Its no coincident when Kobe won his 1st MVP in 2008, it was'nt because he was scoring a lot more than his 2 previous seasons but rather he finally accepted the concept that sometimes less is more.

[cobbler]

If you don't think the colorado incident had anything to do with how the MEDIA votes you are an idiot. And when I said scorers I also expanded that for your sake and said offensive players as well as media darlings. We were talking about the differences in DEFENSIVE skills and the MVP got brought up in a well written opinion by Harlem. Clearly you can transition from one point to the next... no?

Now you go look up the entire list of MVP's and tell me how many were given out for quality defensive years. After the Russell years there are what? 2 or 3? All others were offensive players and scorers. Geeeeeez.

You hurt?

[Scola]

I agree with OP, hes an elite scorer like TMac or Iverson once were, however he doesn't make his teammates better like the true superstar players (wade, lebron). He might develop the skills later on but right now he belongs no-where near the MVP conversation.

[ChrisRichards]

If you don't think the colorado incident had anything to do with how the MEDIA votes you are an idiot.?

You're a dumbass really, I look at other people in this board and I know they are trying to be an idiot, but you, man you try so hard to sound smart and objective but always ends up looking like a moron. Your mom should've swallowed you, your father made a huge mistake. Nothing can be said more.

And when I said scorers I also expanded that for your sake and said offensive players as well as media darlings. We were talking about the differences in DEFENSIVE skills and the MVP got brought up in a well written opinion by Harlem. Clearly you can transition from one point to the next... no?

Lol. Great defensive players have won MVP's too the past 20 years. Something you just cant grasp thus forcing the "scoring players have advantage" card.

Now you go look up the entire list of MVP's and tell me how many were given out for quality defensive years. After the Russell years there are what? 2 or 3? All others were offensive players and scorers. Geeeeeez.

Another dumbass post. Maybe the better statement is "Look at the list of MVP winners and tell me how many great defensive players are not overlooked just because they excell better at the other end.


No one even singled out defensive ability in this equation but rather a players all around ability to bring a winning concept.



Wait I thought you're leaving? You hurt?

[cobbler]

ChrisRichards aka the predictable obsessor!

set up (run cursor over post 109)... fell in... and ed!

And now resorting to the personal slams!

[RsxPiimp]

Kobe did'nt win MVP because his team could'nt even crack 50 wins. It has nothing to do with his Colorado incident, be serious for a minute. Nash won because he made his teammates better and had the best record to boot. The following year proved his worth as the Suns replicated their success despite missing Amare Stoudemire. Lebron and Wade finished higher than Kobe those years not because of the "colorado incident" but due to their better understanding the winning perspective of the game, which is more than scoring. The definition of MVP was not to put the most points in a single season.




The MVP profile has'nt changed eversince, the notion that "scorers" always have an advantage is an absolute fallacy. The past 10 winners shows that only 3 real scorers have won it. Duncan, Nash and Garnett won the rest. Guess what, none of those are scorers rather they bring a well put together dimensions of their game. Its no coincident when Kobe won his 1st MVP in 2008, it was'nt because he was scoring a lot more than his 2 previous seasons but rather he finally accepted the concept that sometimes less is more.

You should stop trolling and start posting like this often. ST already has a lot of trolls as it is. You bring valid points here, but IMO I think Kobe was still robbed in 05-06 but at the same time, I understand why voters did'nt vote for him, its hard to win such prestigious award on a 45(?) win team. But I think that was his MVP trophy, but I also dont have a problem with Nash winning it. Just like in 2008 when it was close between Kobe and Chris Paul. Both were deserving IMO.

[cobbler]

You should stop trolling and start posting like this often. ST already has a lot of trolls as it is. You bring valid points here, but IMO I think Kobe was still robbed in 05-06. I think that was his MVP trophy, but I also dont have a problem with Nash winning it. Just like in 2008 when it was close between Kobe and Chris Paul. Both were deserving IMO.

So your honest opinion Rsx... cause I think a lot of people feel he was robbed on 05-06. Do you or don't you think his rep and the colorado incident was a determining factor?

[JoeTait75]

Come on now CR... I know you're hurt... but that is a huge stretch! Kobe didn't win the MVP's one of those years because of his colorado incident and you know it. He could have easily won both. Nash was the media darling and played well and actually did score well on the highest scoring team in the league besides.

If you don't think the MVP is given out to the scorers, offensive players, and media darlings well.... there isn't much that can be said.

Kobe could have had David Robinson's personality and he wouldn't have won an MVP in those years. 45-win teams don't have MVPs.

LeBron should have been MVP in 2005-06.

[RsxPiimp]

Do you or don't you think his rep and the colorado incident was a determining factor?

It was a factor. No one likes Kobe then. Everyone was slamming him post Shaq. From a statistical point of view I felt Kobe was robbed in 05-06, but considering the other factors too like total team wins was the bottom line I think.


Still, just to show people how bias voters were. PJ Brown received more first place votes than Kobe in 04-05. Thats just wrong.

[RsxPiimp]

Kobe could have had David Robinson's personality and he wouldn't have won an MVP in those years. 45-win teams don't have MVPs.

LeBron should have been MVP in 2005-06.

MVP's should'nt have serious offensive flaws in their game. 05-06 Bron was building arenas with his bricks with his jumper.

[cobbler]

You're a dumbass really, I look at other people in this board and I know they are trying to be an idiot, but you, man you try so hard to sound smart and objective but always ends up looking like a moron. Your mom should've swallowed you, your father made a huge mistake. Nothing can be said more.

I am smart and have the degrees, job, and money to prove it. I sure don't need validation from the internet. That's laughable. I also have completely admitted to being a Laker homer. I guess you missed those posts. Sad thing is, my homerism for the team I have rooted for longer than you have been alive is completely exceeded by your obsession over them.

Lol. Great defensive players have won MVP's too the past 20 years. Something you just cant grasp thus forcing the "scoring players have advantage" card.

Another dumbass post. Maybe the better statement is "Look at the list of MVP winners and tell me how many great defensive players are not overlooked just because they excell better at the other end.

Lets see... post Russell....

Kareem
Mcadoo
Walton
Moses
DR J
Bird
Magic
Jordan
Barkley
Hakeem
DRob
Shaq
Iverson
Duncan
Garnett
Nash
Dirk
Kobe
Lebron

Yeah... I look at that list and I just think defensive dominance!
Yes, several of them are good defensive players. Very few were great. All are very good offinsive players and scorers and the majority are great at it.

Wait I thought you're leaving? You hurt?

Nope... thought I would stick around as the game was ending and toy with you.

ChrisRichards aka the predictable obsessor!

set up (run cursor over post 109)... fell in... and ed!

And now resorting to the personal slams!

[TheMACHINE]

CR's posts would actually be decent if he stops trying to bust the "troll" angle. I kinda see him go in and out of his trolling, but finds ways for most of us NOT to take him seriously, even when he has good takes.

[ChrisRichards]

I am smart and have the degrees, job, and money to prove it. I sure don't need validation from the internet. That's laughable.!

You just shared a part of what you wanted to be in real life to people who dont give a damn. Sounds like you need a validation.

Lets see... post Russell....

Kareem
Mcadoo
Walton
Moses
DR J
Bird
Magic
Jordan
Barkley
Hakeem
DRob
Shaq
Iverson
Duncan
Garnett
Nash
Dirk
Kobe
Lebron

Yeah... I look at that list and I just think defensive dominance!
Yes, several of them are good defensive players.
!

Like I said, you're a dumbass. No further proof.

[ChrisRichards]

CR's posts would actually be decent if he stops trying to bust the "troll" angle. I kinda see him go in and out of his trolling, but finds ways for most of us NOT to take him seriously, even when he has good takes.

I really only like to play with cobbler the most. TBH, I dont have a problem with any fans on this site. Its a message board, people should'nt take it seriously, we throw insults, jokes whatever. Cobbler is the only person in this board to really take things at a personal level, even going out as far as saying " I hate you"

[Killakobe81]

Yes, im sure you know this since you watch OKC games all the time.

No, not ALL the time but who does? i watched the big games and he had some great ones and his defense is NOT steve Nash bad in fact last night he made a few nice blocks ...

But he is no where close to the defender Kobe was at the same age ... I would buy alotof what you selling but that is horse ...

Kobe was a great defender true he only plays it sometimes now and is living a bit off his "rep" as a defender but even still much better defender than KD

Oh and at forrward much easier to defend ESPECIALLY with new rules that benefit guards ...

[cobbler]

You just shared a part of what you wanted to be in real life to people who dont give a damn. Sounds like you need a validation.

Wanted? hahaha



Kareem - Never known as a great defensive stopper. His game was offense
Walton - hahaha
Moses - Very good
Jordan - Undeniable
Hakeem - Great
DRob - Decent but soft
Shaq - Laughable and possibly the worst pick and roll defender of all the great centers
Duncan - Great
Garnett - Great

[ChrisRichards]

KK 81, Id give Kobe the edge on fundamentals defensively. But I think KD has the tools to be a better defensive player in the future because of his wing span. Only question is will he have the desire to step up to the plate.

[cobbler]

I really only like to play with cobbler the most. TBH, I dont have a problem with any fans on this site. Its a message board, people should'nt take it seriously, we throw insults, jokes whatever. Cobbler is the only person in this board to really take things at a personal level, even going out as far as saying " I hate you"

If by play you mean get shown for the fool you are...

Yet another lie... do you always resort to such tactics after being clowned?

And yeah.... I'm the only one take it personal

You're a dumbass really, I look at other people in this board and I know they are trying to be an idiot, but you, man you try so hard to sound smart and objective but always ends up looking like a moron. Your mom should've swallowed you, your father made a huge mistake. Nothing can be said more.

And yet the more you keep saying. Go figure. That you actually believe your own BS is laughable.

[cobbler]

KK 81, Id give Kobe the edge on fundamentals defensively. But I think KD has the tools to be a better defensive player in the future because of his wing span. Only question is will he have the desire to step up to the plate.

Bactracking again? You said it was a wash. For god's sake boy... make up your mind. Can you be any more predictible?

[ChrisRichards]

This glory is too important for you, to a point you're really obsessed with every post I make and have to constantly tell yourself you "owned" someone despite no one other than yourself bringing it up. So now go on with your great life with your money and degree. And please no need to prove it to people here at Spurstalk.

[ChrisRichards]

Wanted? hahaha



Kareem - Never known as a great defensive stopper. His game was offense
Walton - hahaha
Moses - Very good
Jordan - Undeniable
Hakeem - Great
DRob - Decent but soft
Shaq - Laughable and possibly the worst pick and roll defender of all the great centers
Duncan - Great
Garnett - Great

Skipped on McAdoo lol

Lol @ calling Shaq'a defense laughable. Somehow 11 rpg and 2 blocks per game is laughable.

lol @ D Rob being soft- DPOY and multiple All NBA defense team, also a main reason why the Spurs won mutiple championships. Lol. Soft.

Walton is not "hahaha" by any standard defensively. The guy won a le, an MVP, Finals MVP and making the All Defensive team all in the same year.



Stop trying.

[cobbler]

Skipped on McAdoo lol.

Commented only on the ones you highlighted. McAdoo was known for his scoring.

Lol @ calling Shaq'a defense laughable. Somehow 11 rpg and 2 blocks per game is laughable..

11 rpg and 2 blocks for a guy Shaqs size is laughable. Could have been the all time greatest center... not even top 5. Well known throughout the league as one of the worst pick and roll defenders amoungst bigs.

lol @ D Rob being soft- DPOY and multiple All NBA defense team, also a main reason why the Spurs won mutiple championships. Lol. Soft..

Loved the Admiral. Lot's of respect. Still, widely known as soft soft soft.

Walton is not "hahaha" by any standard defensively. The guy won a le, an MVP, Finals MVP and making the All Defensive team all in the same year. .

One year does not make a career. Prolific scorer. Best even in NCAA. Not a particularly great defender.

Stop trying.

Not an effort.

ChrisRichards aka the predictable obsessor!

[cobbler]

This glory is too important for you, to a point you're really obsessed with every post I make and have to constantly tell yourself you "owned" someone despite no one other than yourself bringing it up. So now go on with your great life with your money and degree. And please no need to prove it to people here at Spurstalk.

Every post you make? Nope. Just the moronic ones. And yes I will continue to point them out. You don't see me making threads all the time about the same topic, in fact i rarely start threads at all. I just simply point out your obsession. I have only used the "owned" comment in 2 threads. This one where I laughingly predicted your responses and you complied beautifully and the Artest/Ariza thread where you were embarassed and resorted to lying and personal attacks. But hey... that's your MO. I don't have multiple posters on here always calling me out. A few. Harlem... Miami... You... Oh wait... just one!

Prove what? I have nothing to prove. Certainly not here. If you cannot handle the facts... so be it.

Thanks for playing... Toodles...

ChrisRichards aka the predictable obsessor!

[MiamiHeat]