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Good point.
Instead of sticking up for the kids, some people seem to parrot official rationales more or less reflexively. (With good reason for all I know. No blame. It's interesting to see where people fall on this, is all.)
Maybe a T-shirt with Blackjack Pershing on it ....
Good point.
Instead of sticking up for the kids, some people seem to parrot official rationales more or less reflexively. (With good reason for all I know. No blame. It's interesting to see where people fall on this, is all.)
I just don't see why the kids need sticking up for. I do think it was unnecessary that they were sent home but this is the kind of attention they wanted when they got together and decided to make a point with their clothes.
The consequences of all the attention this story is getting (undermined school administrative authority, increased racial tension in the school, increased distraction in the school, increased racial tension nationally) far outweigh the actual punishment these smart-asses were given.
Why stick up for any of them? The kids were being s, the kids who were offended were being whiny, and the administrators were lazy and overreacted. It's a whole cluster of stupidity.
if there's anyone worth siding with, it's the 95% of the school's students and teachers who didn't GAF about any of this and who are now caught in the middle of it all. They're the real victims here.
Infringements of the liberty of US citizens deserve consideration even before they reach the age of legal majority. JMO.
So, if 1000 student vegetarians got angry at 5 kids eating a hamburger on Veggie Day or Earth Day, the principal should throw the 5 kids out to avoid trouble?
How about we put a ing stomp on these 1000 re s and tell them to respect other people's right to eat hamburgers and WEAR THE ING FLAG OF THEIR COUNTRY, THE ONE YOU ING LIVE IN, OTHERWISE, YOU'D BE IN MEXICO AND LIVING ON TY WAGE IN A DUSTY TOWN, YOU'D HAVE NO ING IPHONE, NO MTV, YOU YOUTUBE OR INTERNET TO WATCH, and probably get shot in a drug war.
Tell these ty "american" kids to leave the 5 kids alone.
you @ ty principal who appeases morons just to "avoid trouble"
and YOU @ anyone who thinks the 5 kids were "instigating"
THIS IS AMERICA. NOBODY SHOULD BE ING ANGRY AT ANYONE WEARING AN AMERICAN FLAG.
EVER. I don't give a WHAT day it is.
Do you hate America so much? Where the is the national pride? AMERICA COMES FIRST.
my god, go to mexicans. and go protest in Mexico, you gots. I am starting to hate them
Tell us how you really feel.
Not to this extent, IMO.
I have little sympathy for perceived injustices committed against the PC oversensitive and the passive aggressive s alike.
And yet, if the principal hadn't done anything, and waited until an altercation actually broke out, the only attention would be on the parties guilty of starting trouble.
Because the First Amendment protects the right to be a .Why stick up for any of them? The kids were being s, the kids who were offended were being whiny, and the administrators were lazy and overreacted. It's a whole cluster of stupidity.
Should we only allow the free speech that everyone agrees with, then?
You have to right to express yourself, unless you do something that might make the brown people mad and then we're going to punish you to prevent the animals from doing something about it, because they don't have any self-control anyway.
What degree of altercation would you wait for, and how do you know anyone would be around to stop it from escalating too far?
Again, a little perspective... they were sent home from high school for a day. Let me know when they're sent to prison and I'll be more sympathetic to their plight.Because the First Amendment protects the right to be a .
I never suggested anything close to that.
If we can all agree that they were being smart-asses but they shouldn't have been sent home for it, I'm perfectly happy with that. I'm just annoyed with the whole "What did I do?" at ude. The kids wanted attention and they got it.
Our country is based on the idea that liberty has its prices, one of which is security. Surely we could catch a lot more criminals if we didn't give them their own defense in court, right?
If children became verbally or physically abusive towards them, then punish those offenders.
Again, a little perspective, they were wearing shirts with American flags on them. Let me know when they're wearing shirts that say "Send all s home!" and I'll be more sympathetic to the principal's plight.
They need a T-shirt that says, 'Thanks for the Land'. It's polite, grateful, to the point.
Either your sincerity is just visible underneath your superpatriot drag, or you're secretly in love. Tough call.
Well, first, I don't judge ipso facto that the children were denigrating the cultural iden y of Mexicans. So they chose that day to celebrate their iden y as Americans. Why is that being a passive-aggressive , as opposed to a political commentary, or both even?
You know, I think people who protest outside abortion clinics with pictures of dead fetuses are s. But I wouldn't begrudge them their right to do so.
I understand the whole "Children have less 1st Amendment rights" issue. But I don't think this case is an example where it would clearly cause a potential for disruption, anymore so than the case where children were allowed to wear armbands duringthe Vietnam War.
I think that school administrators should have the right to make children who wear obviously offensive clothing (swear words or the like) remove them. I'd even allow limits on certain "decency" limits, like no extremely short skirts. But an American flag tshirt is, on its face, not offensive. If people choose to be offended by it, well, that's their issue.
Imagine only punishing those that physically confront others for expressing their beliefs. Honestly, where do those teabagging troublemakers think they are, America or something?
Just for being little jackasses.
The world I grew up (early/mid 1970's, San Antonio, Tx., USA),in was way more tolerant of this, JMO. A lot of things were settled informally. That kind of behavior is excessively criminalized and clientelized now.
For the record, only one of those kids wore a shirt that was quite obviously a large, American flag. One of the others had on an Old Navy t-shirt with a small American flag under the logo. The two other dudes were wearing "Tap Out" shirts that didn't even resemble the American flag, IMO. I'm surprised that these dudes even caught anyone's attention.
Oh, and if you wear a "Tap Out" shirt, you might as well wear a shirt that says "I am a ".
What were the motivations for their political commentary? I challenge you to recreate a realistic conversation between this group of teens which ends with them deciding to wear flag clothing. Then tell me if you'd be comfortable having that conversation around a Mexican you don't know.
Most kids probably aren't allowed to bring those signs to school or wear T-shirts with dead fetuses. But that said, this is the same thing isn't it? I'm calling these kids s but I'm not begrudging their right to be s.You know, I think people who protest outside abortion clinics with pictures of dead fetuses are s. But I wouldn't begrudge them their right to do so.
I agree with all of that. But what I'm getting at is people were offended by the intent, not the flag itself. I think that's silly too, but positioning this whole issue as flag-banning is intellectually dishonest.I understand the whole "Children have less 1st Amendment rights" issue. But I don't think this case is an example where it would clearly cause a potential for disruption, anymore so than the case where children were allowed to wear armbands duringthe Vietnam War.
I think that school administrators should have the right to make children who wear obviously offensive clothing (swear words or the like) remove them. I'd even allow limits on certain "decency" limits, like no extremely short skirts. But an American flag tshirt is, on its face, not offensive. If people choose to be offended by it, well, that's their issue.
Last edited by Spurminator; 05-07-2010 at 04:44 PM.
Respect is a mutual thing, isn't it ?
Agree 100%.
bull . It is exactly what this is.
The principal might fit your theory, that he didn't care about flag banning
but the "OFFENDED" STUDENTS DID. They wanted the american flag BANNED on their "mexican national pride day"
That's what this is ing about. A bunch of kids who think it's OK to get UPSET and OFFENDED at an AMERICAN WEARING A SHIRT WITH HIS FLAG.
so off. You aren't intellectually above this discussion, neither is spurminator.
Come down and face reality.
These "Mexican-American" little s have been brainwashed by their immigrant parents. They basically see Mexico as their "nationality" and have no affiliation to AMERICA, where they live, enjoy prosperity, and these little s were probably even born here in USA.
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