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So the fact that he lead the Grizzles to 3 playoffs berth in his early years and with Mike Miller as his second option means he can't lead a team right now? great reasoning
What do Pau's time in Memphis have to do with the fact that he is the best PF in the league right now?
Also, since when playing alongside Kobe Bryant makes you a better player? Gasol doesn't get nowhere near the amount of touches he should get because of Kobe.
So the fact that he lead the Grizzles to 3 playoffs berth in his early years and with Mike Miller as his second option means he can't lead a team right now? great reasoning
Since forever.
Shaq was at his best with Kobe feeding him for the first 42 minutes of game. Then Shaq took a backseat during the 4th so the superior closer could finish the game properly.
How many rings do you have?Oh well. And 10 years from now Pau will have more rings than all those guys.
People are funny, the same folks who say Kobe is selfish and a ballhog, now are saying Gasol is thriving because of Kobe. Nice contradiction there. Gasol is the best PF in the league. So what if he's not a #1 option, still doesn't mean he's not the best PF. Pippen was a #2 option to Jordan, and Pippen was hands down the best SF in his era. Same with Gasol. Gasol can score nearly anytime he wants on the lowblock. His combo of size, length and skill is hard for other PF's to guard.
People underrate his strength too, probably because he's white. He goes up strong. The guy can finish inside, has great footwork and post moves, he can rebound, can defend, can pass, and has B-ball Iq. He's the best PF in the league. Let me let it be known that I don't give a about the Lakers, but we as basketball fans need to stop sleeping on Pau Gasol.
so true about 21 blessings
Have you seen him play before he joined the Lakers? Having a good team around you opens up alot of options. And it definitely makes you look better.
I think Pau is great but let's not overrate him. He's the best #2 guy in the league right now, that's what he is.
People are running out of ammos to shoot at Kobe
agree with this ...
But not sure he is THE best Dirk is the best but for playoffs Id rather have Pau because he can score better in the paint ...
let's see what Gasol does next round against 2 physical and defensive bigmen.
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No, he won't.Oh well. And 10 years from now Pau will have more rings than all those guys.
Hate to break it to ya Dude, but the Lakers aren't going away after this season.
Back to back Team of the Decade for the Lakers anyone?
They aren't realizing it because it's not true. He's considerably better defensively, to the point where he's one of the better defensive big men in the NBA. He's a much more physical player on offense, setting much better screens. As a rebounder he's gone from one of the worst at his position to one of the best at any position.
Oh. So why deny that he's changed?The biggest differences are that he is somewhat stronger, has become more effective on the boards, plays with a coach that runs a offense better suited to his skills and most of all he has better teammates.
He's better than Duncan. Deal with it. And yes, I liked watching Duncan back when he was a great player better than I like watching Gasol now, too. But crying and lashing out because you're sad is for 3-year-olds.
Pau is beasting right now, in these POs and so far I consider he is the best big in the league.
Pau is a great player and if he keeps this up, he may well end up in the discussion with the three you mentioned.
I don't think he'd deserve it as his peak is nowhere near that of the three you mentioned, but people tend to remember champs. If he gets multiple rings and KG stays at one, for example, for many people that will mean Pau > KG.
Again, not saying I agree with that. But the fact that Pau doesn't rate as highly as three first-ballot, inner-circle HOF players is no shame whatsoever.
I think Dirk is still a better player than Pau, but Gasol IMO has a much better all around game. Playing alongside Kobe and Odom also benefits Pau's game.
The Kobe-Gasol relationship is pretty much equivalent to the Kobe-Shaq duo that won 3 straight championships. Both shared the responsibilites of options 1A & 1B. As good as Kobe was in the WC series, it was still Shaq's team, just like this is still Kobe's team despite of Pau's emergence and dominating postseason play. Kobe still sets the tone, runs the offense late, and sill commands the double team.
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Yes. That will be the litmus test for Gasol. In '08 they beat him to a pulp, made him yelp "uncle", took his cookie and ate his lunch.
His moment of truth is drawing near.
I don't see the point of getting defensive about Duncan. He's old and past his prime. It's okay if others have surpassed him.
I think he is aware of that, Culb...perhaps he'll get his lunch back.
Also, that could go for the remainder of the team--who were too inexperienced in '08 to really know how to handle themselves. 2 years and 1 le later, lets hope that they haven't forgotten the massacre in '08 and come to play.
Problem with this argument is that there's a big hole in it, so lets stop using it to push Gasol's impact when it has reached its limit.
Again, are people really going to discredit Gasol for being unable to win with Mike Miller/James Posey/Bonzi Wells as his #2 best player at different times during those runs?..
Memphis was a fine defensive team. In 04-05 the Grizzlies ranked 5th in defensive rating. In 05-06, they were 2nd. They held their opponents to just 88.5 PPG.
If people are willing to give the 2004-2006 Gasol version credit for the Grizzlies defensive brilliance, then good luck arguing on that.
Memphis was full of solid perimeter defenders during Gasol's years. We're talking about Shane Battier, Eddie Jones and James Posey, and he always had great shooters and a good mix of veterans and athletic frontcourt players in the process. Offensively he's covered, he had 6 players in one season that averaged in double figures (05-06). Best of all, Memphis was a team full of young players that actually played for Hubie Brown, this was the time Lorenzen Wright and Stromile Swift were still serviceable. If there's one intagible thing Memphis had, it was Hubies effort to reach out with a bunch of castoffs who were normally known for just collecting their paychecks (Wright,Swift,Jason Williams,Bonzi). I believe Hubie's influence on those players was huge and by the time Fratello took over, most players were eager to continue their previous success in a conference where 49 wins gets you a 5th spot. Not exactly a strong year in the West.
I mean, just put it this way, The Grizzlies never won a single playoff win for three straight years. It just shows you how Gasol the leader has been
successful.
yes.Again, are people really going to discredit Gasol for being unable to win A SINGLE DAMN GAME with Mike Miller/James Posey/Bonzi Wells as his #2 best player at different times during those runs?..
Even Brandon Freaking Jennings has 3 wins under his belt lol.
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