Chad Ford:Tony Parker or George Hill will be traded by Thursday

[Vic Petro]

While I'm open to discussing Flynn, I'm not trading him and two draft picks for #10. That rat bas Kahn failed to run this deal by ownership and I will fire him as a result.

[TD 21]

Yeah I do.. IMO of course.

Where Flynn got picked last year has no weight on his value anymore as a player.

They may see Flynn as a starter, but they might not value his ability as a potential All-Star (which I don't blame them; Flynn didn't really blow me away).

On the other hand Minnesota may value Paul George's ability as a player with a higher ceiling than Flynn. With the assumed addition of Rubio, Flynn becomes expendable and George's potential and the addition of Rubio is what outweighs Flynn's value as a player (not where he was drafted.) IMO

To be fair to the Timberwolves, assuming this rumor is true, is says "a package that includes the 10th pick"; not strictly the 10th pick.

You're one of the few that's picked up on that. I agree with you that Rush and Price are probably in play and that it would be a good trade for the Timberwolves. I'm not sold on Price being a credible backup, but he's worth a look for a team like the Timberwolves. Meanwhile, with Johnson, George and Rush, they'd go from having the worst wing situation in the league to being set up nicely on the wings long term.

DPG21920, Flynn may have been the sixth pick, but is he really a true sixth pick? I don't think he is. He only has one season under his belt, but I agree with Thorpe, I think he's ultimately best suited to be a sixth man/explosive bench scorer. Maybe a lower tier starter, but not a franchise point guard and top three building block on a roster. I don't see him as being the long term answer at point guard for the Pacers. He's essentially a younger Ford.

[Brazil]

If the spurs want to win another one before Tim retires, they never would trade TP

[DPG21920]

To be fair to the Timberwolves, assuming this rumor is true, is says "a package that includes the 10th pick"; it's not strictly the 10th pick.

MaNu4Tres is one of the few that's picked up on that. I agree with you that Rush and Price are probably in play and that it would be a good trade for the Timberwolves. I'm not sold on Price being a credible backup, but he's worth a look for a team like the Timberwolves. Meanwhile, with Johnson, George and Rush, they'd go from having the worst wing situation in the league to being set up nicely on the wings long term.

DPG21920, Flynn may have been the sixth pick, but is he really a true sixth pick? I don't think he is. He only has one season under his belt, but I agree with Thorpe, I think he's ultimately best suited to be a sixth man/explosive scorer. Maybe a lower tier starter, but not a franchise point guard and top three-four building block on a roster. I don't see him as being the long term answer at point guard for the Pacers. He's essentially a younger Ford.

Minny does not even have any bad contracts to unload. I know last year, they were trying to get Granger for Al, but Indy shot that down. Maybe they will try to re-work this by doing some sort of trade as mentioned?

I said this in another thread, so maybe this? Even take Flynn out of the equation, the 16th and the 23rd is still pretty good value for the 10th in this years draft imo.

Who knows.

But we will all see in the next few days what will happen. Lots of rumors, less logic & even less action normally. Some of these things do make sense logically, but who knows what is real or not.

[MaNu4Tres]

I hope there's some legs behind this Minnesota and Indiana rumor.

Which would guarantee us not seeing Murphy in a Spurs jersey (*spits*) at the expense of our All-Star point guard. (Even if the deal includes the 10th and Rush).

[DesignatedT]

I hope there's some legs behind this Minnesota and Indiana rumor.

Which would guarantee us not seeing Murphy in a Spurs jersey (*spits*) at the expense of our All-Star point guard. (Even if the deal includes the 10th and Rush).

Agreed.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Parker for the right top echelon player makes some sense, but I think Bruno is right - Parker is going nowhere. Parker is too good when healthy to give away, and now that Manu has been re-signed, I doubt the Big 3 will be broken up before Tim retires.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

PS There has been some mention of Rubio in this thread - my bet is that he will be the Fakers' starting PG within 3 years. Watch and learn.

[DPG21920]

Minn has already turned down the deal.

Link?

[SenorSpur]

Parker for the right top echelon player makes some sense, but I think Bruno is right - Parker is going nowhere. Parker is too good when healthy to give away, and now that Manu has been re-signed, I doubt the Big 3 will be broken up before Tim retires.

I certainly understand the TP trade rumors and the Spurs FO is definitely within their right to have conversations about his value. Same for George Hill too, for that matter. Because of the money situation surrounding TP, it makes sense that most of the buzz is coming about him. , the opportunity to obtain a player like Derrick Favors is definitely worth exploring.

In the end, I think any trade possibilities with the the Nets are probably much do about nothing. Nets GM, Rod Thorn, is a shrewd executive and he's notorious for attempting to fleece trade partners. Look what happened to the Mavs in the Jason Kidd trade. Look at the Vince Carter trade last summer. THe Nets got the best of both deals, and it's as much the fault of the desparate GMs as anything else.

It's not out of the realm of possibility to think that Thorn, and the Nets FO, would probably want the Spurs to include another player like Blair, and then try and swap 1st round picks or perhaps even want another pick in future years. RC is too smart to simply give Parker away. That said, I don't see how the Spurs will be able to get value in return for him.

As Phila stated, TP is a bonafide great player. He's 3-time NBA champion, Finals MVP, and a sure-fire HOF player. Whatever team that wants him will have to "bring it". I agree with those that proclaimed unless the Spurs can get a top 3 pick for TP, plus an impact player from the Nets, while retaining their own pick - it aint worth it.

Parker means so much to this organization. While I'd still like for the Spurs to move up in the draft, they MUST get value in return for TP. The price has to be right.

[objective]

Why the would the Spurs draft a big man when they have Splitter and Blair? God damn Chad Ford is stupid.

I thought the same thing for weeks, but here we are 3 days from the draft and Splitter is still telling the media he hasn't made up his mind yet. I thought it would be settled by now, but it isn't.

If the Spurs still don't have an answer from Splitter by Thursday that pretty much puts everything on the table as far as bigs in the draft, either at 20 or by moving up.

This is Splitter we're talking about. The dude went out of his way to commit to coming over in 2008 to the point of visiting San Antonio and holding a press conference. That didn't prevent him from jacking the Spurs. And as far as news to the public has been broken, the only big name Spur official who's even worked on Splitter this month has been Bud. Way to break out the big guns to win him over.

No Splitter news breaking by Thursday, I would even expect the Spurs to have to go big to cover themselves.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Dude, they still own Parker's Bird Rights. They can offer him more money than anyone else can next summer. I'm sure they be going through negotiations during the season and will extend him at some point. Like Baseline Bum said, if they trade Parker then they're conceding that the team is no longer a championship material. A rookie with potential isn't going to push the team to a championship, but a healthy, focused Parker can/has.

Um, it's not about having his rights. It's about the cap hit (and luxury tax) from signing him to a max deal.

[objective]

I agree but I think he is coming over they just dont want to let it out of the bad for some reason. I still think the spurs will draft a big if we grab another pick.

TD Splitter, Alabi, Blair gives you some of everything....Udoh TD Blair Splitter a bit smaller but again looks real nice on paper.

I think we want to get in the 10-12 range to grab Henry or George and will use the second pick on a pg/or C

The Spurs might try to keep it quiet but they couldn't do anything about leaks in Brazil or Europe. At the least Caja Laboral would be notified by Splitter and word would leak from there to the Euro media. And I'm sure there would be leaks in the Brazillian press from Splitter's friends and national team associates.

If a deal was done, I'm confident we would know in short order.

[IknowU]

If spurs want a big post presence. Why not just go ask minnesota if they will deal Jefferson/Rubio for Jefferson/Blair/Bonner or Parker/Bonner + draft picks?

[MaNu4Tres]

My boy just told me, espn Chad Ford blasting it......hoops hype now has it up.

Hoopshype actually has had it up since 6:40 (central time).

[Ocotillo]

Good point, why announce before the draft if Splitter is coming? Leave the other teams guessing as to what direction you are going draft day. A Splitter signing could tip their hand and make it tougher to make a draft day deal.

[vander]

ooh I hope this rumor is true, if we could get a pick in the 7-12 range for Parker that would be fantastic

[ploto]

According to Pacers beat writer Mike Wells.

http://twitter.com/Wells222/statuses/16717504409

Wells222 wrote:
T-Wolves turn down Pacers offer of the 10th pick for PG Jonny Flynn

[spursfan09]

Tony Parker gives me a lot of hope, when he's healthy and rested. If he leaves we better get someone way better than he is. If they trade him we don't stand a chance otherwise.

[UnWantedTheory]

I would rather keep Hill than Parker at this point. Parker is potential all star player but we just need to shake things up to be frank. We had our run with him at the point and hes never been a dominant PG, like DWILL or CP3 so now I think its time to try things different.

Look at the Lakers. They dont have a dominant PG but they were able to win a championship. If you can get a team together who can space the floor and players who can contribute at a high level than you have a chance at a le. Manu is like the Spurs PG in alot of ways already and George can hit the 3 on a consistent basis. Something Parker hasnt been able to develop. Im all for trading Parker if we can get equal talent in return.

They are dominant in other ways that we wont be. Its not just that they have the size, but the talent of that size.

[objective]

Good point, why announce before the draft if Splitter is coming? Leave the other teams guessing as to what direction you are going draft day. A Splitter signing could tip their hand and make it tougher to make a draft day deal.

It wouldn't be the Spurs announcing, it would be leaks overseas. Teams like Caja and the Euro teams that would be willing to bid for Splitter and pay the mandatory higher-for-euro-squads buyouts would know and then adjust their plans. The Brazilian national team who Splitter is planning to play for in Turkey would know.

[cd98]

If we are going to trade Parker, couldn't we do it for a package that includes Paul, who appears to be on the block per Real GM?

[duncan228]

If we are going to trade Parker, couldn't we do it for a package that includes Paul, who appears to be on the block per Real GM?

The Chris Paul story.

Hornets’ Paul draws interest as draft nears
By Adrian Wojnarowski

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156953

[BackHome]

I just love this time of the year all the rumors getting all the juices stirred up! But hardly any rumors ever become reality the only way I see the Spurs trading parker is if Splitter doesn't come over.

In the end I think no trades will be made and Splitter end up comming over and we draft Damion James then getting a big in the second round.

[EmptyMan]

If Spurs get rid of Hill I will be sad