Consequences of AZ law...

[ElNono]

delgado has immigration problems now, doesn't he?

He doesn't. As soon as a judge certifies he's an American citizen and notifies ICE, it's game over. Then the lawsuit against both the police and border patrol agents start.

doesn't help him very much if his family was playing the system in mexico, either.

What his family did in Mexico is irrelevant to US authorities. Ultimately, the problem is for his Mexican family in Mexico.

i care if people do stupid like driving without a license. i don't want them on the road, period. im not arguing against their rights of citizenship or how the feds should handle them. im saying that this whole situation could have been prevented if the driver was legally a driver and the passenger used discretion in riding with him. is it that hard to swallow? i never said they deserved to be treated like that, either.

We all get pulled over for a reason or another. I got pulled over because a light broke while I was driving. No way to avoid it. I shouldn't expect more than a ticket at the worst. But Delgado wasn't driving. The guy that was got booked and jailed until he posted bond. The system worked for him, it didn't for Delgado.

[Winehole23]

is it that hard to swallow?

I acknowledged the point two posts above your last. Do you require additional recognition of some kind?

[Drachen]

Don't really feel like reading through this whole thread, but the premise of the OP is pretty bad. Should we decriminalize murder since cops have framed innocent people in the past? How about crack?

[Oh, Gee!!]

and the deported guy wasnt wearing a seatbelt. he was still breaking the law.

if youre a citizen, dont break the law and the law won't break you.

i think it's ridiculous that he was deported, and that was a poor job on law enforcement's part, but this could have been prevented if they had been law abiding citizens.

he was violating a traffic code (traffic ticket/fine only offense). He was no more a law breaker than the person who doesn't use a blinker. stop overstating the severity of what he did.

[George Gervin's Afro]

And I give you Democrat County Supervisor Peggy West of Milwaukee, Wisconsin...



...'nough said.

what does a Democrat Supervisor from Milwaukee have to do with this? Nothing..'nough said..

[Oh, Gee!!]

im saying that this whole situation could have been prevented if the driver was legally a driver and the passenger used discretion in riding with him. is it that hard to swallow?

yes, because a citizen was deported when he should have been given a class C ticket and sent on his merry way. the situation (wrongful deportation) should have been prevented by law enforcement, not by the private citizen. the government bears the blame when things like this get messed up. in fact, the citizen in this case went above and beyond by showing birth certificate, social security, and I.D. (way more proof of citizenship than most of us could produce upon request) that proved his citizenship. That should have ended the encounter, and the passenger should be facing a $500.00 fine in municipal court somewhere for not wearing a seatbelt, and not barred from entering his own country.

[George Gervin's Afro]

You know all of the talk from the obama-is-taking-away-our -civil- liberites crowd up until now has been that our freedom is at stake... yet have no problem with an American citizen being detained and deported because of the way they spoke..

[jack sommerset]

Any legal Americans get deported today?

[Oh, Gee!!]

Any legal Americans get deported today?

probably

[jack sommerset]

probably

Link?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Any legal Americans get deported today?

why do you care?

[Winehole23]

Don't really feel like reading through this whole thread, but the premise of the OP is pretty bad. Should we decriminalize murder since cops have framed innocent people in the past? How about crack?

The framing is totally bogus. This event is unconnected to the AZ law, but it's still worth looking at in its own right, IMO.

[Wild Cobra]

The framing is totally bogus. This event is unconnected to the AZ law, but it's still worth looking at in its own right, IMO.

I agree with you there.

I have stated in the past that certain laws themselves didn't bother me, but I was fearful of abuse that can be made of them. The thing is, the OP was trying to tie the Arizona law to something happening elsewhere, being utterly ridiculous, especially when it just mirrors federal law.

I'm not afraid of most laws, but rather the ones that grant access to information protected by the Bill of Rights, and the way unethical people will abuse their positions in using such information.