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If by dominated you mean won more games and les, then you're woefully mistaken.
I agree with pretty much all of your post except that quoted part. Manu in his prime was hard to handle (much like Wade). Also, making the playoffs in the East was also not that hard (the 8th seed had a .500 record, 41 wins) when compared with the West (Spurs and Thunder tied the 8th spot and needed 50 wins to make it).
I think Manu actually would have benefited a lot from coming to the NBA earlier in his career, when he was even more athletic. But his NBA career is what it is.
Ultimately, that's part of the problem of trying to compare orange to apples. I personally think Wade is incredibly talented and athletically gifted. You only have a handful of players like that in the entire league. I think Manu has the higher basketball IQ and it's simply the better team player.
It's also silly to compare them right now, because Manu is certainly on the decline, while Wade is still in his prime.
Don't get me wrong. They're both phenomenal players. They're both going to look back at their careers when all is said and done and they'll be certainly pleased with what they've achieved. Which, really, makes this whole comparison really re ed.
If by dominated you mean won more games and les, then you're woefully mistaken.
I agree completely with the logic of being able to admit it, but I would agree with all of the above if you'd said athletic prime, because in terms of his all around game, I think he's just as good as he ever was. Other than the first few games of the season, Manu had a great year.
lol you have to admit all the "wace" calling has been pretty funny, it makes me giggle every time solely for how stupid it is, but it is funny nonetheless hahaButthurt? How many times has he called me "Wace"
Regulation? Back peddle much?
That was a well thought-out post. I ALMOST agree. Going in, Manu knew he would never get the chance to be "The Man." He knew that. And as an ultimate team player, he's okay with that. But before he became a Spur, he was always the Man. And doing so resulted in Italian League and Euroleague Championships, plus the National Team Play which resulted as the 1st team to beat a US team full of NBA Players in 02 and 2nd place in the World's (out with a grade 3 Ankle Sprain for the Final, thanks Dirk) and of course, the 04 Gold Medal.
So it's not saying that he couldn't do it, it's just more that he wasn't given the opp going in. But I'm cool with that, because Tim and San Antonio got 3 more les.
Today, Wade is better, I'm not saying dominatingly, but youth helps him out a lot. It's like that stat, youngest ever to 10000 points. It doesn't mean really. The stat they should keep that are more relevant would be: Least amount of games to 10000 points or rebounds or assists. Then you'd know who was the most efficient.
I'll end the madness with the following:
Read Yahoo Sports NBA Preview Magazine and in it, you'll see the following:
All-Underrated Team
SG Manu Ginobili
Manu continues to get the short shrift, despite his enduring popularity, because he plays so few minutes per game. But when you adjust for numbers and pace? He's a small step behind Kobe Bryant. If not even with him.
But, if Wade and Ginobili were the same age, and had their same skills, I'd choose Ginobili.
Good post. But the fact is Manu can't play those many minute per game, an entire NBA season, while maintaining that efficiency. And as someone has already stated in this thread, if Manu were in the league earlier, he would have benefited a lot as his game would have developed quicker as we all know he's a smart dude. If that were the case, his legacy could have been greater.
But that really isn't worth getting much into. About Manu being the man in Europe, again, it was europe, not the NBA, and the international success he's captained has been very impressive, but those are short tournaments.
One thing I believe though, there is no better value per dollar spent on a player in the NBA than Manu. For all of the things he contributes to a team at such an efficient rate...let's just say the Return on Investment is very, very high. Pretty much a complete opposite of Rashard Lewis, who had something like double his contract size, and all he does is stand beyond the arc and chuck threes.
Last season when it was uncertain where Manu was going to end up (before he turned on God-mode), it was weird/sad to think of Manu playing on another team, but at the same time, I was interested in seeing how the market was going to respond because teams would have been all over him.
Manu will shock some this year again at times, he will come on late and push us towards our run. Manu is the best I have seen at doing unpredictable things and the most exciting I have seen in years! I LOVE HIM!
Wade is a great player, but just another All Star in the history of the NBA.
He was given his le along with zillions FTs, because there was Mark Cuban's Mavs in front of him.
The 09-10 Heat actually played embarassing basketball and I actually prohibited my kids to watch their games. One of the reasons was Wade obsession with having the ball all the time.
You just can't compare Wade to Ginobili.
He's Manu Ginobili (Pop dixit).
He got me back on professional basketball.
Was that so hard? I'm not gonna get into the euro thing because that would only result in the Greek Guy coming in here. We all already know where they stand in comparison to the NBA.
It's a bull argument. Wade's got 1, Manu's got 3. If either of them go down, then neither team has chance to win anything. I said it, but again, if these guys were the same exact age, it's Manu by a mile.
hes 33 hes past his prime as is most people at that age but to say he will just be a role player is comical. he averaged like 24 points in a span of like 2 months last year and was probably the best player in the league at that time. he willl still be a force to be reckond with
Everyone here has to realize (like whoever said what I'm about to say first, forgot who), you can't truly compare them. There are WAYYYYYYYYYY too many variables.
- Manu has played on more stacked teams than Wade ever has, so it is unfair to compare # of championships because Manu has had Tim and Tony as teammates his entire career
- It's unfair to compare stats because Wade is always the man, so he takes all the shots he wants and then some
- Wade came into the NBA earlier, so he had more time to learn the NBA game while Manu wasted time in Europe and his accomplishments there must come with a grain of salt (not counting Olympics)
- Wade is arguably given the benefit of the doubt more when it comes to refs, and Manu is arguably shafted becuase he is a Spur
I will say comparing FG% and PER do make Wade appear to be the better player, but the only way to truly end this debate would be to see an alternate universe where their career paths were swapped, and I don't see that happening before the Sun super novas and it becomes a moot point.
I will admit that like Alvarez I'm a Manu fan, but I consider Wade superior. Not like the difference between the two is substantial.
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