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Not surprised, tbh. Guy has a very limited bballIQ, and couldn't come up with a good enough response to counter DaddyofAllTrolls.
I saw an interesting stats for people who say Russell couldn't score when in fact he didn't have too it seems.
He has as many 30-point closeout games in the Finals (in 12 games) as Wilt, Kobe, Bird and Kareem combined. (in 27 games)
Not surprised, tbh. Guy has a very limited bballIQ, and couldn't come up with a good enough response to counter DaddyofAllTrolls.
No I just got bored.
It was bound to be a circular discussion and since every point Troll boy made was predicated on various fallacies, I ignored it with the better interest of my time in mind.
Some people do have that restraint, pulp.
Cousy says, "The level of intensity among the big guys is different. You put a bunch of huge guys, seminaked, out there before thousands of people, and you expect them to become killers. But it just isn't in their nature. Kareem [Abdul-Jabbar] probably had the best skills of all big men, and he played till he was 42. If he'd had Russ's instincts, it's hard to imagine how much better he'd have been. But he'd have burned out long before 42."
Sanders: "There's no reason why some centers today couldn't block shots like Russ did. Only no one has the intestinal for ude. A center blocks one shot now, the other team grabs the ball and scores, and the center stands there pouting, with that I-can't-do-everything look. Russell would block three, four shots in a row—I mean from different players—and then just glower at us."
Russell: "Once I blocked seven shots in a row. When we finally got the ball, I called timeout and said, 'This s—- has got to stop.' " Some years Russell would be so exhausted after the playoffs that, as he describes it, "I'd literally be tired to my bones. I mean, for four, five weeks, my bones would hurt."
Russell believes that Wilt Chamberlain suffered the worst case of big-man syndrome; he was too nice, scared that he might hurt somebody. The year after Russell retired, in the famous seventh game of the NBA Finals at Madison Square Garden, Willis Reed, the New York Knicks center, limped onto the court against the Los Angeles Lakers, inspiring his team and freezing Chamberlain into a benign perplexity. Russell scowls just thinking about it. "If I'm the one playing Willis when he comes out limping," he snarls, "it only would have emphasized my goal to beat them that much worse." Russell would have called Six—his play—again and again, going mercilessly at the cripple, exploiting Reed without remorse. The Celtics would have won. Which was the point. Always.
"To be the best in the world," Russell says, all but licking his lips. "Not last week. Not next year. But right now You are the best. And it's even more satisfying as a team, because that's more difficult. If I play well, that's one thing. But to make others play better...." He grins, savoring the memory. "You understand what I mean?" Bill often says that, invariably when there is no doubt. It has to do with emphasis more than clarity. In fact, I can sort of visualize him saying that after he blocked a shot. You understand what I mean?
Yes.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...65/4/index.htm
Over-rated = B.S. Russell won when it counted over and over
Here includes a blog where among other things he grabbed 40 rebounds and had 30 points in a championship game.
http://entertainment.howstuffworks.c...russell-at.htm
Last edited by Rummpd; 12-08-2010 at 07:16 PM.
So a franchise that one 11 championships, along with league players valued Russell over Cousy, and everybody else in the league, 5 times, would speak to Russell being an overrated player how?
What does the perspective of the media and the fans have to do with Russell being great?
to DOAT for destroying history in this thread.
And the funny this is, I'm on history's side in this argument. Too bad he couldn't craft a decent argument to save his pathetic life.
Heh, thanks, I also shut my other , ambchang, up in this thread. Neither one has any clue what people write, they both fail miserably in reading comprehension.
And the funny this is, I'm on history's side in this argument. Too bad he couldn't craft a decent argument to save his pathetic life.
I don't put much stock in those 11 championships Russell won. It's all been pointed out already. Stacked far and above the rest of the NBA, usually won two playoff series with HCA after getting a first round bye, tradition of giving MVP award to a player on the best regular season team, and so on. The NBA drifted toward parity for some 20 years, no one could repeat; Reed's Knicks, Jabbar's Bucks, Havlicek/Cowens Celtics, Birds's Celtics, and until the end of their run, Magic's Lakers. Any one of those teams would have cleaned up in the 60's NBA, and never lost a le. Once you realize the change in the NBA from then to the 80's, and on to now, you will realize Russell's Celtics themselves are overrated, thus Russell himself is as well.
Did I say this? If you tell me you are dating a girl who is 36-24-36, I'll be happy for you and a bit envious. If you give me the same girl's measurements in metric, I won't know if you are dating a Jessica Alba clone, or one shaped like Oprah Winfrey. Russell was listed as good back then, but not near the top of whatever top 10 people had. Just like former top 10'rs like Baylor, West, Greer, Pet , and Robertson have fallen out, so did Bill. And he was one of the first to drop out. So say I and other people who don't know the metric system; our line of thinking is based upon what we observed, not what we learned later. If you didn't see Russell play, and ignore what the people of his era said about him, you can't rank him top 10.
The average Russell team consisted of:
3 top 50 all-time players, including Russell
2 other hall-of-fame players
1 sixth man who made the hall of fame.
Despite this, Tim Duncan has about the same winning percent as Russell throughout his career in both regular season and playoffs.
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