You will go down as the best sucker of all time.
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congradulations.
Garnett is a much better defender than Dirk, better rebounder and more assists in the prime of his career. Garnett has a le and set records for 20/10/5 seasons early in his career with 6 straight years in that rare category.
Neither is accomplished as Duncan but I would definetely take Garnett in his prime on my team over Dirk when seeking a championship with the right parts around both.
Look it up Garnett's FG % Career is .498 and Dirk's is surprisingly low at 0.475
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/dirk_n...eer_stats.html
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kevin_garnett/index.html
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/tim_duncan/index.html
Dirk is a great shooter but the problem is his softness he prefers to sit on the perimeter and not go inside like a big should. This year Dirk is unreal as a shooter and scorer, but over his career only averaging 8 rebounds a game and only 1 block per game at his size shows he is basically soft and prefers to sit outside.
Meanwhile Duncan shoots over 50% (0.508) for his career, grabs 11.5 boards and blocks 2.3 three shots a game. With 4 championships, 3 finals MVPs and 2 regular season MVPs he is the only one of the three that is a definitie lock to be top ten player (or at least on the border as there are a lot of debates about 5-12 all time).
Nothing against Dirk - but give me a REAL big man any day who can go inside and outside and help his team win.
Last edited by Rummpd; 12-18-2010 at 08:14 AM.
Also not sure about that Euro thing - right now Dirk leads the pack for sure but what if Gasol finishes with say 4 championships and leads the Lakers to a le in the waning years of Bryant's career.
Based on the last two-three years I would also take Gasol paired with a great perimeter player than Dirk.
He is not the scorer Dirk is but still shoots about the same 0.474 pulls down close to 9 boards a game and blocks 1.7 shots per game and is a heady smart player that has been the additive main difference maker on two championships.
The gap between him and Dirk is not that much when careers will be looked back at and in the end we all may agree that Dirk is a dangerous great shooter but leaves a lot on the table to this point as far as leading or even co-leading a team to a championship and Dirk has played with some very strong teams and simply not got it done to this point. He needs a couple of championships to even be considered top 12-15 at this point.
comparing kg's game with dirk's game is like comparing apples with oranges. it makes no sense so why are trying so hard?
and gasol won 2 rings because of kobe. not the other way around.
dirk is not a real PF. he plays this position because of his size but if you have to compare his career FG% to other players take kobes because dirks game has more in common with kobes than it has with duncans.
What about David Robinson??
Was he better than Dirk??
seriously, i'm sooo fed up with all the gasol hype.
measuring gasols 'greatness'..look what he has accomplished with memphis in '06. he lead them to the playoffs, props, but t-mac also led a team to the playoffs, so that is not a great accomplishment. gasol never won a f'ckin game in the playoffs as the unquestioned leader of team. now he has one of the greatest players ever on his team and being coached by arguably the best coach ever, and now he's one of the all time great all of a sudden?...he was a laughing stock in memphis and would still be of someone from the grizz front office had a milligram of brain his head.
My bottom line is that Dirk right now is not a top ten player and not close - he is a soft big man with poor leadership skills. All he can do is shoot well (but even the stats show taht is over-rated for his career) but does not bring enough to the table on both sides of the ball to even laughably be in consideration despite the Mavs oddball owners biased eyes.
Why have all the buzz about a 7 footer if he cannot rebound and block shots?
IMO yes, but injury cut him short, if dirk continues playing at a high level he may well surpass him... still, if i had to choose a 25 yr old Drob or a 25 year old Dirk to start a team I'd choose Drob, for the same reasons I'd choose Garnett over dirk: the marginal difference in scoring doesnt justify the massive difference in every other category.
Dirk even in consideration as a greater player than David Robinson? B.S. wake me when Dirk has a quadruple double or wins two les or scores 71 in a game. Dirk is a scorer period and those are a dime a dozen over the years of the NBA.
How do the stats show that his shot isn't as good as hyped?..I don't like using TS% because it is dependent on the style of play and officials in every single game, but Dirk's career eFG%, which is what should be used, since it factors in 3s, shows that he's one of the more efficient high usage players of the decade..
With that being said, I would still take KG over Dirk from a peak and career perspective..
ThisGarnett is a much better defender than Dirk, better rebounder and more assists in the prime of his career. Garnett has a le and set records for 20/10/5 seasons early in his career with 6 straight years in that rare category.
Neither is accomplished as Duncan but I would definetely take Garnett in his prime on my team over Dirk when seeking a championship with the right parts around both.
and this.IMO yes, but injury cut him short, if dirk continues playing at a high level he may well surpass him... still, if i had to choose a 25 yr old Drob or a 25 year old Dirk to start a team I'd choose Drob, for the same reasons I'd choose Garnett over dirk: the marginal difference in scoring doesnt justify the massive difference in every other category.
The first one brings up a very good point about building the right pieces around a player. Duncan/Garnett/Shaq even Robinson during his prime carried teams on their backs. Duncan of course had parker/ginobili as stars in 05, but he did carry an 03 team with no allstars. The aforementioned type guys are the first pick on almost anyone picking teams at a rec. These guys are the foundation and you just try to fill out the rest of the team around them.
Kobe on the other hand, you like his skills, but with out a big man in the middle, championships are going to be really hard to get.
For Kobe, a 1st round win was his unachievable stat.
lol
So much butthurt from Spurs fans in this thread. What a classic
lol so many delusional Mavfans swinging on Cubans nuts.
lol Top 10 all time
butthurt
Dirk No zki will go down as a top 10 CHOKER off all time
amirite
CLASSIC!!!
btw that name is ing hilarious bro...POOP! I get it, you're named after poop!
Cubes is always going to see things through his rose colored glasses when it comes to his players.
I live in the Metroplex, and there is no doubt DN is an awesome talent and a great player - the Mavies would be a .500 club at best without him IMO. He is one of the top ten current NBA players - BUT.......
There is no way on god's green earth he could displace a top ten or even top 20 player All Time player without more playoff success than he's had to this point. Sorry. A first round exit three out of the last four years is not what a top ten all-time player does. He is also a below average defender.
I don't think you could even put him ahead of guys like Karl Malone, John Stockton, Julius Erving, Moses Malone and a bunch of other guys of that ilk. Those guys keyed multiple championship appearances and even an NBA le (1983 for Erving and Malone).
He's a terrific player, but Cuban can't help himself when he talks about his guys. He overvalues and overpays his own guys too often (in part because he can). I will say Dirk is a top dollar talent because he does perform at a very high level (in the regular season especially).
Funny story for you guys since we're talking about Mark Cuban -
I work in North Dallas, and I went into the office on a Sunday a few weeks ago to drop off some stuff. I was dressed casually and wearing a slick new Spurs cap. I have known for years that Mark Cuban works out at fitness club attached to the parking garage by my office.
I'm about to ride the elevator down...... the doors open....... and there is Mark Cuban looking down at me (he's pretty tall). He was leaving the health club with one of his kids. I'm sure he noticed my Spurs cap and that my eyes got as big a saucers. He knew I knew who he was.
I was a little flustered - You don't see billionaires out in public like that very often. I didn't say anything to him as I entered the elevator -just nodded to him. As the doors opened on the first floor, I just motioned for him and his kiddo to go ahead. He thanked me and I said "You're welcome". I wish I could have come up with something clever to say, but I could not bring myself to saying anything when he has his kid with him. I'm sure he gets plenty of good (and not so good) natured ribbing all the time.
BTW, MC drives a somewhat common Lexus Coupe with "MFFL" plates ("Mavs Fan For Life" if you don't know). I was leaving my office for the drive home a couple of months ago and saw him then too.
I was somewhat favorably impressed that he does not have a legion of bodyguards surrounding him as he goes about his business. I think I would be a little paranoid if I were in his situation. On the other hand, he was not always wealthy and had to hustle and live somewhat modestly in his pre-Broadcast.com days. IOW he was a regular working Joe in his younger days.
Last edited by Harry Callahan; 12-18-2010 at 02:54 PM.
True. Dirk is top 10 today. But he doesnt' have that IT factor. He has had a lot of talent around him. He's never had that "killer" around him to relieve pressure, but to me, that shows that Dirk never had it, so he needs someone else to bring it. If you look at the talent he's had, Jhoward,Devin harris, Stackhouse, Jason Terry, Caron Butler, Shawn Marion. These guys have been the top 1-2-3 options on teams. He's had the help, but the mavs are always missing the "x" factor.Cubes is always going to see things through his rose colored glasses when it comes to his players.
I live in the Metroplex, and there is no doubt DN is an awesome talent and a great player - the Mavies would be a .500 club at best without him IMO. He is one of the top ten current NBA players - BUT.......
There is no way on god's green earth he could displace a top ten or even top 20 player All Time player without more playoff success than he's had to this point. Sorry. A first round exit three out of the last four years is not what a top ten all-time player does. He is also a below average defender.
I don't think you could even put him ahead of guys like Karl Malone, John Stockton, Julius Erving, Moses Malone and a bunch of other guys of that ilk. Those guys keyed multiple championship appearances and even an NBA le (1983 for Erving and Malone).
He's a terrific player, but Cuban can't help himself when he talks about his guys. He overvalues and overpays his own guys too often (in part because he can). I will say Dirk is a top dollar talent because he does perform at a very high level (in the regular season especially).
Dirk performs well in the season and in the post season. He's clutch on the offensive end with out question. But when the team needs a steal, a hustle player, a defensive stop dirk is never there.
Dirk No zki will go down as a top 10 CHOKER off all time
amirite
somebody just got regulated. try not 2 get 2 butthurt over it spurs fan,
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