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I don't. He had a chance to play for the Lakers but he chose Phoenix.
By the sounds of things, Nelson won't be going anywhere. If that's the case, I don't like it for the Magic. I feel they were on the right path (minus Turkoglu), but if they're not going to turn Nelson and a spare part or two into a decent wing defender and a decent backup center, then they're left with an undersized, unbalanced, defenseless team.
Sounds like Duhon, instead, will be shopped in the hopes of landing a backup five. I could see a straight up Duhon for Turiaf trade. The Knicks are desperate for a backup PG. They'd be thin up front without Turiaf, but it would open up more minutes for Mozgov and/or minutes for Randolph period. Although, the Knicks might not want to cut into their cap space for next season, so this trade could come down to how confident they are that they can land Anthony in season.
I could also see the Warriors being interested, as they're also desperate for a backup PG. Trouble is, Gadzuric makes too much to make this a one for one trade and he's not good enough to where I could see the Magic adding in prospects like Clark and Orton to make it work financially. Wright works straight up, but he's rail thin and can't play center.
I don't. He had a chance to play for the Lakers but he chose Phoenix.
Good points. I agree with the first one completely. Orlando is banking on Arenas and Hedo finding their respective mojos of 3 years ago. Odds on that are long indeed. Barring that, it's essentially JRich and spare parts for Gortat, Lewis and Carter. Meh......
On the second though, I think it's a "one step at a time" thing. I'd be surprised if Hill and Nash aren't dealt in the next few weeks.
tbh, I feel bad for the Suns.
this. Phoenix got better. Gortat is a good big, more than serviceable. Pietrius is a good athlete and can shoot the 3, and Vince is still a really good player.I think the suns got the best out of this trade..gortat is solid guy who can be a double double machine,pietrus good defender and good 3 point shooter is alot like richardson but jason has a better slashing game,expired big contract in carter, and get rid of turk's horrible contract plus a 1st rounder
Magic sure didn't get better at best, and ed up more by getting rid of lewis for arenas..I know arenas is a good player and all but don't see him making a difference really as a shooting guard unless the magic ship off nelson for a small foward cuz Q Rich sucks. Plus Lewis can spread the floor so much for Howard, while it seems that they have alot of confidence in Bass but I don't, and no championship team should have him as a starter. Richardson is going to be a solid player in the system, better shooter but don't see him as a huge upgrade to Carter. Turkoglu is the biggest question mark of the trade if he is the Orlando Turk then I think it will be worth it, but if he is the contract cuckold player than the Magic are ed for years to come, and could possibly see Dwight leaving Orlando.
Trading back for Hedo after having traded him away before and at the cost of losing Gortat seems to be an admission of fail. Hedo is not a very good 3 point shooter. He can create for others, a point forward. And he did play well for Orlando the last time he was there. Still, what he will do this time is unknown.
To me, this seems to make sense for the Suns, but I can't figure out how this improves the Magic. Howard gets in foul trouble a lot. Their saving grace was that they had such a quality big to come in for Howard, Gortat. Now what. Howard will continue to have foul problems and now it will really hurt them.
I do agree that the Suns seem confused regarding Nash. Without Nash, this team is completely lost and a cellar dweller. And they count on Grant Hill a lot as well. Yet, both of these guys are older. And Nash is known to have back problems. Doing something later when everyone knows you are desperate is a bad strategy, a recipe for getting much less than you should have. The longer they wait, the worse this situation will become. These things don't improve.
If they try to move Nash and Hill I will agree with you.
Robert Sarver is a fool. Otis Smith is a moron.
I guess by "worst," I meant that it's the culmination of all of the bad moves and leaves the Suns with nothing--no go-to scorer, no star players at all, except a declining Nash.
I don't have a problem with getting rid of players or rebuilding--I just have a problem with getting nothing in return.
We have no proof that Gortat is a starting-caliber center, as he's only started a total of 5 games in his career. I will have to see it to believe all of the hype--plus we already have a (younger) starting center. And Gortat is already 27 years old, as of February. It's not like he's a developing youngster.
I doubt if Pietrus can net us a 1st, and we didn't need yet another Jared Dudley.
And the 25th or 26th pick in the draft is not likely to give us a great player, especially with our track record of drafting in recent years.
I certainly hope I'm wrong.
Me too, if they somehow make the playoffs, they'll probably get swept.
I wish Nash would get traded, but I agree with some. Sarver knows as long as he keeps Nash, people will come to the games.
Last edited by pauls931; 12-19-2010 at 08:10 AM.
So this move really didn't save the Suns a ton of money if I am correct, right? It is not like it was some clear cut "rebuild" move. The Suns could think this move makes them legitimately better.
They probably thought that Vince can at least duplicate what Richardson brings them. Then they probably think that Pietrus/Dudley/Childress can quite easily replace Hedo while making them a much better defensive team.
Then when you swap Clark for Gortat, that gives them another legit, mobile & defensive big who actually has some offensive game. A lot is riding on the Carter to Richardson gap, but everywhere else the Suns got better because Gortat is legit and their rotation with Hedo gone actually got better.
Richardson: $14.4M expiring
Turk: 4 years $45M
Clark: $1.8M expiring
Carter: $17.5M expiring (only $4M guaranteed)
Pietrus: $5.3M player option next year.
Gortat: 4 years $28M
The thing that gets me is that when Hedo signed that terrible contract, I thought to myself: poor team, they are stuck with that dude for a long time.
Then his terrible play confirmed that thought. He has now been traded twice. Unreal how many get out of jail free cards have been handed out on his account.
Because he is a good human being and doesn't want to be associated with the racists, sexual offenders, woman beaters, mentally unstable players that play for the Lakers, tbh.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/newr...reply&t=168561Report: Josh Childress is on the block
Matt Moore
The Phoenix Suns made a significant trade yesterday, moving Jason Richardson, arguably their second best player, along with the albatross contract of Hedo Turkoglu and Earl Clark to acquire Vince Carter, Marcin Gortat and a first round draft pick.
If reports are on target, they are not through dealing.
Marc Stein of ESPN reports that the Suns have discussed trading Josh Childress, acquired this summer in free agency after two years in Greece, to no avail. That Childress can’t get off Gentry’s bench is a little bizarre. It’s a matter of discipline, and that’s fine, but Childress is athletic enough, there should be a place for him. This team isn’t good enough to be benching a talent like Childress. And it’s not going to help with trying to move him.
Rebuilding teams should be taking a look at him. The problem is that Childress is on the books for $20 million more after this season. It may be easier to trade for him after the CBA talks are over if there are rollbacks. Moving him before then is going to be difficult unless the Suns sneak into a three-way deal with a team willing to take on massive amounts of salary. And that’s not exactly likely with everyone buckling down over the next few months.
You have to wonder how things would have progressed for Childress had he not bolted for Europe. I’m sure he got some quality experiences out of it, and the money he got when he came back was great, but his career is in a hole right now. It just could have been different, that’s all.
Man, Suns getting rid of everybody!
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