Tony Parker in clutch time..

[romain.star]

Globally we reach a point where I see what you mean and I'm pretty sure you see what I mean. We are now in the thats your opinion and I respect it but I disagree which is fine.

Just some few points or reinforcements of my view.

- I persist for most of the players money/recognition and more money > ring. I don't consider vet in that discussion, tp is no vet yet. But you're right after thinking only about money, some vets wake up and look for a ring when its too late.
- I do think once in a while tp can do stuff to prove a point but not in a PO game.


If I were TP (but I'm no TP and I'm pretty sure he is handling the situation much better than I would), I would be pissed off to see Pop asking for Hill to be the closer in the fourth. That was some pretty sad stuff to see TP bringing the ball in O, let the ball to Hill and go to the corner 3 to see Hill trying to make a Manu interpretation. crazy stuff if you think about it 2 minutes knowing that Hill is absolutely trash to create plays. I think Pop is doing that because of the FTs capabilities but thats some horrible tactic.

Pop is loosing his mojo or just loosing on purpose the first game of a PO serie to create an emergency state of mind. Either way

Pop loosing on purpose a first PO game? Are you serious or am I missing some sarcarsm?

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BTW, after watching Battier's three a few times today, it's pretty clear that someone didn't rotate to take Battier when RJ lost containment and Parker rotated. It's also pretty clear that that someone is George Hill.

[ALVAREZ6]

Globally we reach a point where I see what you mean and I'm pretty sure you see what I mean. We are now in the thats your opinion and I respect it but I disagree which is fine.

Just some few points or reinforcements of my view.

- I persist for most of the players money/recognition and more money > ring. I don't consider vet in that discussion, tp is no vet yet. But you're right after thinking only about money, some vets wake up and look for a ring when its too late.
- I do think once in a while tp can do stuff to prove a point but not in a PO game.

Tony Parker is turning 29 in less than a month and has been in the NBA for 10 years. I don't see how he isn't considered an experienced veteran player.

[ALVAREZ6]

BTW, Tony Kornheiser on ESPN just said literally a minute ago that Ginobili is their MVP, and I can't even count how many times I've heard it this year

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just maybe had pop gone to other players instead of manu late in games other players would have confidence they could do it

tp had a bad game he did get to the line though

he was missing his free throws
that is why he shot a jumpshot instead of driving
had he been making his free throws he would have drived
by the way at the time of the jump shot spurs were ahead

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BTW, after watching Battier's three a few times today, it's pretty clear that someone didn't rotate to take Battier when RJ lost containment and Parker rotated. It's also pretty clear that that someone is George Hill.

but but but it was tp fault

[boutons_deux]

Spurs shoot 45% without Manu and they win the game. They shot 40%

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Spurs shoot 45% without Manu and they win the game. They shot 40%

They gave up 55 percent, which is the bigger problem.

[Dex]

They gave up 55 percent, which is the bigger problem.

Apparently the Grizzlies just made shots. A novel concept.

[ShoogarBear]

Apparently the Grizzlies just made shots. A novel concept.

And the solution to that, apparently, is the Spurs just have to make more shots.

[ALVAREZ6]

just maybe had pop gone to other players instead of manu late in games other players would have confidence they could do it

tp had a bad game he did get to the line though

he was missing his free throws
that is why he shot a jumpshot instead of driving
had he been making his free throws he would have drived
by the way at the time of the jump shot spurs were ahead

FTs are easier than in-game, contested jumpers. He was still hitting his FTs at 75%...he made 12/16.

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Apparently the Grizzlies just made shots. A novel concept.

If the opposing front line is gonna shoot 76 percent against you, you just tip your hat to them and start making vacation plans for the summer.

[itzsoweezee]

I'm not a Parker hater. I don't discount his clutch play with the Spurs. But this loss was on Tony. He played horrible for three quarters and made two huge mistakes down the stretch. I hope he rebounds from this and dominates Conley the rest of the series.

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I'm not a Parker hater. I don't discount his clutch play with the Spurs. But this loss was on Tony. He played horrible for three quarters and made two huge mistakes down the stretch. I hope he rebounds from this and dominates Conley the rest of the series.

Parker's a crappy shooting guard. Who besides the head coach didn't know that before gametime?

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It's shocking how much this is like 2006. The Spurs have to scramble to learn a completely new way of playing on the fly because Pop decides to start going small in the playoffs, the Spurs work their asses off for seven games, finally start to figure it out and Manu gets blamed for the whole ing thing because he fouled Dirk. Now ESPN says Kobe's the player of his generation because Duncan never managed to repeat as champion.

[howbouthemspurs]

oh no! Tony Parker suck now!! damn!!! better give up on him then..... in re s

[roycrikside]

Spurs fans with the recollection ability of a dust mite.


Anyways, this game reminded me exactly of the first game of the playoffs in 2005 when Parker inexplicable appeared not to be ready for postseason basketball. His stats and play were very similar. One would hope Parker would have been ready to go since the Spurs are without Manu -- not to mention the fact that Parker is a veteran now as opposed to back then -- but I guess not.

I would suggest you watch G7 of the '05 Finals again. Talk about spazzing out. Pop had to bring in Barry to bail his ass out.

[roycrikside]

Our indisputable team MVP since 2007 has an off-game (where he still got to the line more than anyone else on our team) and people are ready to lynch him.

Parker has been one of the best clutch-time performers we've ever had in San Antonio. It's unreal how spoiled Spurs fans are. There are 23-24 teams that would love to have Parker running point for them. The Lakers would probably kill puppies to have TPark instead of Fisher.

I seriously hate the "what have you done for me lately?" at ude that so many of our fans have here. I get that there's general frustration after a loss, but how about Duncan and RJ who were completely silent in the 2nd half? What about Blair's horrible pass to no one? Who, exactly, stepped up in that 2nd half that warrants going after Parker first? Every possession that we ed up could have changed the game. Anytime we gave away points on easy buckets, that's the fault of our defense. You Spurs fans should know that the game isn't won and lost on OUR missed buckets, but on the ones that we prevent them from scoring. We didn't do that.

This may be a more offensive team, but this is still the playoffs, and our defense has to rise up to shut down the other team. They didn't do that. That's a fault of every man on our roster.

All of this horrible play and we were still within a possession of winning a game without our co-MVP.

The idea that Tony was the MVP since 2007 is absurd.

Manu was better in '07.
Manu was better in '08.
Tony was better in '09, the one year Manu mostly missed with injury.
Manu was better in '10.
Manu was better this year.

I honestly don't know what game most people are watching. People don't seem to understand there's a reason that Tony seems to have the best match-up most games. Point guards are very seldom the best athletes on the team. How many good defenders are there at point guard in the NBA? Rondo. Anyone else? Kidd is too old and slow. Ginobili and Duncan have to go against superior athletes and elite defenders night after night. There are plenty of good point guards in the league, but none of them can guard for and Pop knows it. It doesn't mean Tony is the better or more valuable. It's just taking advantage of match-ups.

[portnoy1]

the thing that people dont realize about parker is that he is the spurs most consistent/efficient scorer but probably 3rd best facilitator behind Manu an duncan. What Cp3 did that same day is a prime example of what parker needed to do. Which is get other guys going an then do your thing in 4th. Cp3 had 9ast in the first half getting guys like gray an landry going an then in the 4th had room to play 1 on 1 an picked his defender apart.

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the thing that people dont realize about parker is that he is the spurs most consistent/efficient scorer but probably 3rd best facilitator behind Manu an duncan. What Cp3 did that same day is a prime example of what parker needed to do. Which is get other guys going an then do your thing in 4th. Cp3 had 9ast in the first half getting guys like gray an landry going an then in the 4th had room to play 1 on 1 an picked his defender apart.

Parker was the shooting guard for the Spurs in the first half and the 4th quarter. Why are you comparing him to a point guard?

[romain.star]

The idea that Tony was the MVP since 2007 is absurd.

Manu was better in '07.
Manu was better in '08.
Tony was better in '09, the one year Manu mostly missed with injury.
Manu was better in '10.
Manu was better this year.

I honestly don't know what game most people are watching. People don't seem to understand there's a reason that Tony seems to have the best match-up most games. Point guards are very seldom the best athletes on the team. How many good defenders are there at point guard in the NBA? Rondo. Anyone else? Kidd is too old and slow. Ginobili and Duncan have to go against superior athletes and elite defenders night after night. There are plenty of good point guards in the league, but none of them can guard for and Pop knows it. It doesn't mean Tony is the better or more valuable. It's just taking advantage of match-ups.

I agree Manu was the most valuable guard for the Spurs since 2007 (though it’s really close)

The funny thing is that it seems too hard for you to simply admit Tony was much better than Manu in 09’ (the kid was walking on water), which is why you felt the need to remind us about Manu injury.
But when it comes to ''Manu>Parker 2010'' season, you have no problem forgetting the numerous injuries Parker dealt with all season long

I don't want to argue about who's the best cause as a true Spurs fan, I care about team wins only.

The only positive note regarding Manu looming retirement will be you leaving this board for good


Oh you're right about the PG pos ion being the weak link in this league. Playing all those PGs everynight sure is piece of cake for Parker

[Texas_Ranger]

I don't like this Tony vs Manu bull , but Manu was and is better.

[Pauleta14]

the thing that people dont realize about parker is that he is the spurs most consistent/efficient scorer but probably 3rd best facilitator behind Manu an duncan. What Cp3 did that same day is a prime example of what parker needed to do. Which is get other guys going an then do your thing in 4th. Cp3 had 9ast in the first half getting guys like gray an landry going an then in the 4th had room to play 1 on 1 an picked his defender apart.

CP3 couldn't do the same thing with the spurs, Pop wouldn't let him...

Pop doesn't want his team to depend on the production of 1 playmaker, so even if Paul probably would average more assists than Tony with a spur uniform (with less points and worst FG%), you can't compare...

TP HAS TO constantly watch Pop to call the plays, not because he can't do it by himself, but because... HE HAS TO !!!!

TP had a bad game shooting wise, but in term of decision making, most of what he did was what Pop asked him to do...

TBH, as sad I was after the loss, TP's treatment by spurs fans is even sader...
For a guy that has done so much, so loyal to the franchise and unselfish (how many"elite" players would have accept to shoot less, even being the most efficient of the team, for thebetter of some teamates?), the reactions on the forum are just unreal...

[portnoy1]

Parker was the shooting guard for the Spurs in the first half and the 4th quarter. Why are you comparing him to a point guard?

parker is always the point guard/main ball handler unless its late in the game an he is on the wing while ginobili (who didnt play)handles the ball.

[Bambililos]

Did you watch the game?