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    Tell me then.

    Why does poverty affect learning?

    Why does poverty affect morality?

    We see this in society. Why does it happen?

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    I think it's a willing ignorance to the root cause. Nobody wants to talk about it. It's not politically correct. If we never face the reality, the problem will never be solved.
    So then explain it to us. Talk about it.

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    Tell me then.

    Why does poverty affect learning?

    Why does poverty affect morality?

    We see this in society. Why does it happen?
    I don't know - explain it.

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    I don't know - explain it.
    You ignore my explanation, but cannot tell me one that is better?

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    You haven't explained . Providing a conclusion that is supported by no data and no logic and spouting off anecdotes isn't an explanation. Provide us with a reasonable explanation with data showing how you actually came to that conclusion.

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    You haven't explained . Providing a conclusion that is supported by no data and no logic and spouting off anecdotes isn't an explanation. Provide us with a reasonable explanation with data showing how you actually came to that conclusion.
    Then tell me an alternate reason. You refuse to consider my explanations so give me one. If you are going to be so closed minded, then what do you believe?

    Why do those who grow up in poor cultures of America have poor grades and more involved in gang activity?

    These poor cultures are primarily minorities. Right?

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    Then tell me an alternate reason. You refuse to consider my explanations so give me one. If you are going to be so closed minded, then what do you believe?

    Why do those who grow up in poor cultures of America have poor grades and more involved in gang activity?

    These poor cultures are primarily minorities. Right?
    Cultures are neither poor nor rich. People from a particular culture be both. Your logic, such as it is, is incredibly faulty.

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    Cultures are neither poor nor rich. People from a particular culture be both. Your logic, such as it is, is incredibly faulty.
    Indeed. For example, David Robinson's parents obviously told him he could never amount to anything (because he's black, of course), thus explaining his lack of academic achievement and professional success -- and his choice to instill that belief in the mostly-minority students from low income families who thrive (despite their flawed moral upbringing) at his extremely well-funded school.

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    Cultures are neither poor nor rich. People from a particular culture be both. Your logic, such as it is, is incredibly faulty.
    You are using too tight of a definition of culture.

    If you prefer I use a better word, what is it?

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    You are using too tight of a definition of culture.

    If you prefer I use a better word, what is it?
    No I'm not. You are, apparently, choosing the wrong term. Since I am unable to grok your argument, I can't recommend a better term. It's likely that it doesn't exist ouside of your mind.

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    No I'm not. You are, apparently, choosing the wrong term. Since I am unable to grok your argument, I can't recommend a better term. It's likely that it doesn't exist ouside of your mind.
    In post 31:
    That's why I use the term "culture." I say these traits have nothing to do with race, but the living conditions, peers growing up, etc. We have acquired values rather than inherited ones. Here is the definition of culture I apply:

    5 b : the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group; also : the characteristic features of everyday existence (as diversions or a way of life} shared by people in a place or time <popular culture> <southern culture>

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    No I'm not. You are, apparently, choosing the wrong term. Since I am unable to grok your argument, I can't recommend a better term. It's likely that it doesn't exist ouside of your mind.
    LOL...

    A better term doesn't exist and you won't accept mine...

    Really!

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    I categorically destroyed your premise that certain cultures preclude success. Apparently you thought I was using too tight of a definition. I wasnt. Your premise is flawed. Find another descriptor because culture doesn't work in your argument.

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    I would have to see Wild Cobra having an in depth discussion about culture with a black person to believe it.

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    I categorically destroyed your premise that certain cultures preclude success. Apparently you thought I was using too tight of a definition. I wasnt. Your premise is flawed. Find another descriptor because culture doesn't work in your argument.
    Excuses excuses.

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    I hear this is conversation with blacks I know
    How many blacks do you know? And are these conversations coming from blacks that you know personally, like friends or family? Or blacks you hear talking about this on TV? If you know them, do you try to change their mind/give them resources to look at when they say there's no way out of the ghetto?

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    How many blacks do you know? And are these conversations coming from blacks that you know personally, like friends or family? Or blacks you hear talking about this on TV? If you know them, do you try to change their mind/give them resources to look at when they say there's no way out of the ghetto?
    There are a half dozen I hang out with on occasion. They tell me if the inner city problems they escaped.

    Nobody ever said there's no way out. It's difficult, and you have to lose the defeatist at ude.

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    wtf?

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    This is like debating my dog. It's really easy but when its over I realize I just debated a dog.

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    This is like debating my dog. It's really easy but when its over I realize I just debated a dog.
    You appear to not even attempt to understand my points.

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    You appear to not even attempt to understand my points.
    You have yet to actually support your "points" with anything approaching logic.

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    You have yet to actually support your "points" with anything approaching logic.
    I'm sure others understand what I have said.

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    Really? If they do can they speak up?

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    I'm sure others understand what I have said.

    like other things you're sure about, you're wrong about this one as well.

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    WC, I don't think you understand how alone you are.

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