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    when you put dumb s into govt, then they start putting their dumb families and friends into position of power, fraud and corruption happens...any form of govt is like that anyway

    the west doesnt have a good record of managing puppets who they help liberated and put into power...

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    when you put dumb s into govt, then they start putting their dumb families and friends into position of power, fraud and corruption happens...any form of govt is like that anyway

    the west doesnt have a good record of managing puppets who they help liberated and put into power...
    The problem is, we haven't stopped trying to make them our puppets.

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    My opinion is that we should've GTFO (at least) 3+ years ago. The reality is that nobody in that hole wants to change anything, so why keep burning money in that pit?
    It's only a matter of time until them (Iraq too, IMO) will revert back to being a cluster . If you're worried about terror, then spend all that money you're spending there securing the borders properly. I guarantee it will be a lot cheaper and way more effective. Not to mention that the fear of training camps is somewhat irrelevant, because I'm willing to bet those things also exist (or can be set up) in Syria, Lybia, regions of Africa and that's just locations off the top of my head.
    Well said. It's much easier to secure our borders than to try and go securing every third world country in the middle east.

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    The problem is, we haven't stopped trying to make them our puppets.
    the fkn dog you guys put in charge of afghanistan, wtf has he ever done to get into that position???? another dog who ran away and lived overseas for a couple of years and returns like he brought something....yet i dunno why the ppl allowed this clown to be their president when he hasnt done to earn their approval...

    that clown seems to be like the clown runnin pakistan, pulling americas leg every opportunity it can get as long the money keeps on going in.....

    havnt you clowns learn anything from the VN war, and continue to pour money into a govt that only wants ur money while doing all to improve things besides their own personal wealth?

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    The training camps were gone long ago.

    If you don't take out the government that allowed them in the first place, then you simply get them right back after you leave.

    We can't go until we have a government there capable and willing to keep those kinds of camps from coming right back.

    As I said, we let central Asia fester once, and it didn't do us much good, although it would be highly amusing to me to see this area become China's problem.
    The problem I see with this is... do we have a force that knows how to set up an effective and functioning government? Because while they're leaning more towards it, the military isn't meant to be that sort of force. I'd argue that we should stay out of that, frankly.

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    The problem I see with this is... do we have a force that knows how to set up an effective and functioning government? Because while they're leaning more towards it, the military isn't meant to be that sort of force. I'd argue that we should stay out of that, frankly.
    whatever happen to the good ol CIA days, when the muppet didnt listen you just replace them....

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    Just curious. What's your answer to containing terrorist groups in Afghanistan? You think these groups won't grow and get stronger w/o our being there?

    We've basically just found out Pakistan has been an accomplice with these terrorists and it's widely thought that Pakistan has nuclear capability Iirc.

    Were learning worse about the Middle East and your answer to this is what? Because it means nothing to criticize w/o providing a more viable alternative.
    One could argue that if we spent even a fraction of the resources that we used in Afghanistan/Iraq on, say, security and intelligence, we might be in as good a position to prevent an attack.

    Plus, we probably would've killed a lot less innocent civilians. So that's a bonus.

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    Do we need to wait until an event happens that sharply affects this statistical risk to deal with a problem?
    I don't think we have to wait for an event, but I think the measures taken to defend against such should be appropriate. So far, we've spent how much in money/life/resources in response to 9/11?

    To take your wording, some sort of astral body (comet/meteorite) could potentially come on a collision course with Earth, causing devastation far greater than a nuke.

    Given that we know this, we should then dedicate efforts even greater than those that went into Iraq/Afghanistan in order to find a way to deal with this eventuality, per that logic.

    The big problem is that the RISK of these events is relatively low. I would say the risk of 9/11 is probably low. Of course, we take a chance at increasing our risk by some factor by leaving Afghanistan, but we can try to mitigate that through better border procedures, better intel, etc etc.

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    I think it's time to slowly pull out. Over time so we can reduce forces by attrition and bring the equipment back. It isn't much more costly to stay now that we are there, so no hurry to leave. Put all nations on notice that if the harbor terrorists, they risk being attacked by us.

    Once we are out of these other nations. Shift spending back to military personnel from contract personnel in the areas that bit us in the ass. Primarily supply and food services. It was a total joke that we had contract civilians going to war with us.

    Thank-You president Clinton.... NOT!

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    Damn necrothreads

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    A NATO airstrike killed eight children in Afghanistan's Kapisa province northeast of the capital Kabul, President Hamid Karzai said Thursday.

    The president "strongly condemned the aerial bombing by foreign troops that killed a number of children in Nejrab district" on Wednesday, said a statement from his office.



    "Based on information by (the) provincial governor, as a result of an air strike conducted on February 8... eight children were killed," the statement said.
    Karzai had assigned a delegation "to launch an all-out probe into the NATO bombing in the province of Kapisa", it added.


    A NATO spokesman said he could "confirm there has been a situation. A joint assessment team went there to identify the situation".


    The Afghan president, who has a strained relationship with his Western allies, has regularly condemned NATO for civilian deaths in the decade-long war against Taliban insurgents fighting to overthrow him.


    Kapisa district police chief Abdul Hamid Erkin told AFP: "Two nights ago foreign special forces carried out a raid on a house in Geyawa village in Nejrab district.
    "The next morning their plane carried out an airstrike on a house in the village as a result of which seven children and one adult were martyred."


    He said commanders of French troops who operate in the area "claimed that the target was a group of Taliban facilitators, but we checked the area and there were no Taliban.


    "In fact the people in the area have very strong anti-Taliban feelings. We filmed the victims, who were children, and showed it to the French commanders," Erkin said.


    The children were aged between about seven and 15, he said, while the adult was a mentally-handicapped 20-year-old.
    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...9eebbef0ff.991

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    he could "confirm there has been a situation

    what relief! So much better to be a "situation" rather than a universally dreaded "issue".

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