The Largest Gang in America-The Police

[silverblk mystix]

Two things I got from your post.

1) You didn't watch the video. There are things in there that you cannot defend. And it can be argued both ways that YOU weren't there either, so you can't say they were righteous either, can you?


* I clearly stated I saw a portion. I don't care to defend anything that is obviously already slanted. The video-creator is obviously a cop hater with an agenda. Why would you fall for this so easily?
*I also clearly stated that I wasn't there either. I never defended the cops...I jokingly stated at the beginning that I enjoyed watching police brutality---because I already saw that this was going to be another cop-bashing thread. Don't get uptight. Lighten up.



2) You also didn't read my previous posts about how I have been witness and victim to similar injustices here in San Antonio personally, as a activist and as a citizen, and that I also come from a highly respected family of cops as well.



** I read your posts and they were believable and I don't doubt the incidents happened as you described. It sucks-but there are dirty, dishonest cops everywhere. There are also dirty, dishonest employees in EVERY career field. That sucks just as bad.



If you didn't watch the do entary and you didn't read what i said, then I don't see how you can come to the conclusions you have come to and expect them to be credible. With all due respect.

*** See above replies.

[SA210]

I did see them. I know what I'm talking about, I have lived and breathed this issue. And i know what to believe and what not to believe in a do entary. I'm pretty smart enough to know what is exaggerated and what isn't. This IS a problem, and there IS a solution. As I said before, it will NEVER be eliminated completely, but we can lessen the problem.

[silverblk mystix]

I did see them. I know what I'm talking about, I have lived and breathed this issue. And i know what to believe and what not to believe in a do entary. I'm pretty smart enough to know what is exaggerated and what isn't. This IS a problem, and there IS a solution. As I said before, it will NEVER be eliminated completely, but we can lessen the problem.

Fair enough.

I'll do my share by being a true professional every day that I go to work.

I see the charges on someone's card that comes to my unit...and it ranges from Aggravated Assault with a Deadly Weapon, Murder, Capital Murder, Rape, Sexual Indecency with a Child, Burglary, DWI, etc...

And I approach the inmate with respect, and treat him the way I would treat anyone else (that isn't in jail and hasn't committed a crime).

I am not a judge or a jury...and if I ever need to do what was shown in a video by the OP (placing someone naked in a padded cell against their wishes) ...I will only do so at the direction of a trained psychiatrist who has deemed that this person is a danger to themselves and I will only do this while a video is taken to ensure that no-one violates anyone's civil rights.

Come to think of it...I have been doing this for years..and everyone that I work with...has been doing this for years also.

[vato loco]

I saw a portion...

here's the truth about those videos;

You weren't there.

I wasn't there.

No other poster on here was there.



If you are really,really honest with yourself you will eventually come to the conclusion that you don't know all the facts of these incidents.

What you do know is what the video-creator wanted you to see. If these videos had been created by someone who LOVES cops...the videos would have shown stupid people doing stupid things and then cops just responding and doing their jobs.

If the video-creator HATES cops...then the videos will show cops acting like rogue, dirty criminals wearing a uniform.

I doubt if anyone here is honest enough to check themselves in this way. It is much easier and lazier to just watch something that they already believe in --and just re-confirm their prejudiced beliefs.

defend that please or the one were two cops let an off duty officer get away wit dui

fatass cop beats up a female bartender, cops shows up, she says she has surveillance tape, and they leave without taking a report once they realize it's one of their own...he gets charged wit a misdemeanor by the police dept until internal affairs steps in and gives him felony agg assault.

u would realize most clips in that vid are indefensible if u actually watched it

[pawe]

defend that please or the one were two cops let an off duty officer get away wit dui

fatass cop beats up a female bartender, cops shows up, she says she has surveillance tape, and they leave without taking a report once they realize it's one of their own...he gets charged wit a misdemeanor by the police dept until internal affairs steps in and gives him felony agg assault.

u would realize most clips in that vid are indefensible if u actually watched it

Are you that ing stupid that you still dont get it? He just works for the system, he's not the person that drives the whole police force. Why would he defend the WRONG ACTIONS of other people anyway just because he is in law enforcement?
Plus, humans are violent in nature, it will come out no matter what their role in the society is.

These clips are isolated events. It's not like ALL police officers are going to harass you and beat you up and intimidate you. Im sure if you call 911, the people that will respond are decent individuals who will sincerely try to help you...unless you're a dumbass asshole who tries to act tough.

[CubanSucks]

There is a solution btw, it's do entaries like the one the OG posted, (Thanks for posting!) That's a start. People need to stand up against this crap. Rather than just saying it it what it is. it is what it is, because people don't say anything. Will it end all brutality and police corruption? of course NOT, never will. But we can definitely lessen the numbers. And that makes a difference.

That's your solution? Stand up to it? Could you make it a little less vague than a Rage Against the Machine song?

[vato loco]

Are you that ing stupid that you still dont get it? He just works for the system, he's not the person that drives the whole police force. Why would he defend the WRONG ACTIONS of other people anyway just because he is in law enforcement?
Plus, humans are violent in nature, it will come out no matter what their role in the society is.

These clips are isolated events. It's not like ALL police officers are going to harass you and beat you up and intimidate you. Im sure if you call 911, the people that will respond are decent individuals who will sincerely try to help you...unless you're a dumbass asshole who tries to act tough.

1. read his post i responded to dumb
2. show me were i said all cops are crooked dumb

[vato loco]

That's your solution? Stand up to it? Could you make it a little less vague than a Rage Against the Machine song?

it's not that hard to figure out idiot

exposing crooked cops makes future potential crooked cops think twice about doing it...will it eliminate crookedness completely? of course not. but it helps keep it down, if every person in the world was as much of a made pussy as u and simply accepted that there's bound to be dirty cops and there's nothing we can do about it...than there would be alot more cops out there abusing their powers. the threat of possibly being caught, exposed, and confronted by the general public is necessary.

[SA210]

That's your solution? Stand up to it? Could you make it a little less vague than a Rage Against the Machine song?

People like you are part of the problem. I said making do entaries like the one posted is a start. That in itself is making a stand. Voicing your concerns to your appointed officials, etc. I wasn't vague. If you spent the time to read you would under...ahh, nevermind, you wouldn't want to understand anyway.

And of course, u didn't watch the whole vid. Goodbye sir.

[CubanSucks]

it's not that hard to figure out idiot

exposing crooked cops makes future potential crooked cops think twice about doing it...will it eliminate crookedness completely? of course not. but it helps keep it down, if every person in the world was as much of a made pussy as u and simply accepted that there's bound to be dirty cops and there's nothing we can do about it...than there would be alot more cops out there abusing their powers. the threat of possibly being caught, exposed, and confronted by the general public is necessary.

I'm all for exposing crooked cops, but what's the purpose in constantly ing about it in here? Like I've already said, it's as useless as whining about the weather. Sure you can find shelter when it rains but you can't stop it from raining altogether

[CubanSucks]

People like you are part of the problem. I said making do entaries like the one posted is a start. That in itself is making a stand. Voicing your concerns to your appointed officials, etc. I wasn't vague. If you spent the time to read you would under...ahh, nevermind, you wouldn't want to understand anyway.

And of course, u didn't watch the whole vid. Goodbye sir.

and goodbye to you too sir!

[SA210]

I'm all for exposing crooked cops, but what's the purpose in constantly ing about it in here? Like I've already said, it's as useless as whining about the weather. Sure you can find shelter when it rains but you can't stop it from raining altogether

It's a message board man. It's called discussion

[Dark Gable]

Punk had to go for a gun.

[Nathan89]

There is a solution btw, it's do entaries like the one the OG posted, (Thanks for posting!) That's a start. People need to stand up against this crap. Rather than just saying it it what it is. it is what it is, because people don't say anything. Will it end all brutality and police corruption? of course NOT, never will. But we can definitely lessen the numbers. And that makes a difference.

And I'm very conservative when it comes to crime. These punks running the streets kicking my door open and robbing what i worked for, etc. More power to the system to put these people away, but I'm also not blind to the fact that MANY police officers abuse their power even against innocent people, and there is a CODE. A difference can be made. Some answers are in the do entary, start there if you want to know how to help change things. You can't argue for the police after watching that bs that makes me sick to my stomach.

I hate the fact that some of the posters in here are acting like there is nothing to be done to limit number of police brutality incidents. Like you said there in one of your post there is always going to be these kind of incidents but if the system is fixed the number incidents will decrease.

I guess a lot of people thought the entire video would be like the beginning(video of cops beating innocent people). The second half of the video is even more disturbing than the first half. A code of silence and corruption that doesn't hold bad police officers accountable for their actions. It give them a sense of even more power because they feel nothing is going to happen to them. Creating an ideal environment for the actions that happened at the begging of the video to happen even more.

Then again some people will claim there is nothing to be done and everything is perfect.

[Nathan89]

because you're a pussy ass pig thats why you cry like a little girl

So you don't police officers to exist?

[Axe Murderer]

There is a solution btw, it's do entaries like the one the OG posted, (Thanks for posting!) That's a start. People need to stand up against this crap. Rather than just saying it it what it is. it is what it is, because people don't say anything. Will it end all brutality and police corruption? of course NOT, never will. But we can definitely lessen the numbers. And that makes a difference.

And I'm very conservative when it comes to crime. These punks running the streets kicking my door open and robbing what i worked for, etc. More power to the system to put these people away, but I'm also not blind to the fact that MANY police officers abuse their power even against innocent people, and there is a CODE. A difference can be made. Some answers are in the do entary, start there if you want to know how to help change things. You can't argue for the police after watching that bs that makes me sick to my stomach.

[pawe]

You asking me if I don't want them to exist? I think the whole system should be reformed. Get rid of the federally trained goons and hire local policemen who are actually citizens of the town they are applying for so that they have a vested interest in the community. Hold police officers accountable for their actions so they don't get out of control. Protect the cons ution. The whole system needs to be reformed.

This is a brilliant suggestion.

[JoeChalupa]

That's a punkass little druggie white boy joe chalupa, not a real hardened thug. hilarious that the trained cop still almost lost his life grappling with a little pussy who wouldn't last 2 days in the pen.

[Dark Gable]

WTF cares who can last in the pen?

[SA210]

I hate the fact that some of the posters in here are acting like there is nothing to be done to limit number of police brutality incidents. Like you said there in one of your post there is always going to be these kind of incidents but if the system is fixed the number incidents will decrease.

I guess a lot of people thought the entire video would be like the beginning(video of cops beating innocent people). The second half of the video is even more disturbing than the first half. A code of silence and corruption that doesn't hold bad police officers accountable for their actions. It give them a sense of even more power because they feel nothing is going to happen to them. Creating an ideal environment for the actions that happened at the begging of the video to happen even more.

Then again some people will claim there is nothing to be done and everything is perfect.

That's what I thought too. Man the beginning was bad, but the 2nd half got even worse. Really disgusted that this is accepted as ok and that ppl think we should just leave it alone. Thanks for posting. One of the smaller incidents that happened to me was a particular officer was known for beating up and harassing innocent passerbys, and a few times I happened to be one of them.

The 1st incident, i was just standing on my front porch, and not even dressed thuggish at all, always pretty clean cut. I was talking with a little kid, a neighbor on my front lawn about some stuff, just chit chatting, and this cop "Officer Morales" with a white strip on his head (like a skunk) pulls up in front of my place and gets out with his partner and randomly just asked for our ID's, no reason, and he's yelling at us and searches us. Of course i could have refused, but I knew what that could turn into. The little boy asked kindly, "what did we do?" No rude tone at all. Officer yelled at him and said SHUT UP! Took our names and entered them in the gang member black book list that they had, yet we had no affiliation at all, weren't drinking smoking, nothing.

I took my minister to Internal Affairs and reported him. And they gave me all the crap that u saw in the videos at first until the minister showed up with me. The end result as to the behavior and harassment? Officer Morales claimed we became very combative.

All I did was comply with respect and the boy asked one question. They did nothing to him.

He continued picking on kids walking my neighborhood. one kid was walking to the bus stop and he just stopped him, went thru his back pack, etc, he got pissed cuz i pulled out my camcorder.

They also pulled my sister over (who is a teacher, air force wife and was a social worker for child protective services). He pulled her over, slammed her to the ground and lied that the car was reported stolen, then searched her car by lying that he smelled marijuana. Of course no drugs were found, no stolen car, just a roughed up woman, humiliated in front of the neighbors and held hand cuffed for over a hour.

This is only one officer, and I know many others, with similar incidents, some worse than that. That officer would also randomly take kids from my neighborhood and take them behind the elementary school and beat them.

These are all true, and I saw it with my own eyes. The man still wears a damn badge. Last time i saw him he was walking an apartment complex off Blanco and Jackson Keller. I know many of those kids parents went to complain, and nothing happened.

[silverblk mystix]

That's what I thought too. Man the beginning was bad, but the 2nd half got even worse. Really disgusted that this is accepted as ok and that ppl think we should just leave it alone. Thanks for posting. One of the smaller incidents that happened to me was a particular officer was known for beating up and harassing innocent passerbys, and a few times I happened to be one of them.

The 1st incident, i was just standing on my front porch, and not even dressed thuggish at all, always pretty clean cut. I was talking with a little kid, a neighbor on my front lawn about some stuff, just chit chatting, and this cop "Officer Morales" with a white strip on his head (like a skunk) pulls up in front of my place and gets out with his partner and randomly just asked for our ID's, no reason, and he's yelling at us and searches us. Of course i could have refused, but I knew what that could turn into. The little boy asked kindly, "what did we do?" No rude tone at all. Officer yelled at him and said SHUT UP! Took our names and entered them in the gang member black book list that they had, yet we had no affiliation at all, weren't drinking smoking, nothing.

I took my minister to Internal Affairs and reported him. And they gave me all the crap that u saw in the videos at first until the minister showed up with me. The end result as to the behavior and harassment? Officer Morales claimed we became very combative.

All I did was comply with respect and the boy asked one question. They did nothing to him.

He continued picking on kids walking my neighborhood. one kid was walking to the bus stop and he just stopped him, went thru his back pack, etc, he got pissed cuz i pulled out my camcorder.

They also pulled my sister over (who is a teacher, air force wife and was a social worker for child protective services). He pulled her over, slammed her to the ground and lied that the car was reported stolen, then searched her car by lying that he smelled marijuana. Of course no drugs were found, no stolen car, just a roughed up woman, humiliated in front of the neighbors and held hand cuffed for over a hour.

This is only one officer, and I know many others, with similar incidents, some worse than that. That officer would also randomly take kids from my neighborhood and take them behind the elementary school and beat them.

These are all true, and I saw it with my own eyes. The man still wears a damn badge. Last time i saw him he was walking an apartment complex off Blanco and Jackson Keller. I know many of those kids parents went to complain, and nothing happened.

Why didn't you (or why don't you do it now?) hire an attorney and sue his ass?
Why don't you get together with all these people that this cop harassed and/or beat up and file a class action suit? You can file one against him personally and one against the department (big $$$) that continues to employ him.

If all you are saying really happened then you should do something about it.

[silverblk mystix]

Punk had to go for a gun.

Are you that stupid or are you just trolling for attention?

This is the kind of that cops have to deal with and the idiot got what he deserved.

Good job and good thing that this cop didn't get killed.

If the officer is a punk because he had to go for a gun...just what does that make this dirt-bag wannabe G () who went for the gun first and still got killed?

You wanna know what professionalism is...watch what happens when the cop shoots this guy and eliminates the threat to his own life...

that's right...he comes back and administers first aid to try and SAVE this -bag's life.

Now, you guys wanna talk about a CODE???? There's a CODE for you right there...

A CODE that says that a cop will try to save a HUMAN LIFE...

This guy tried to kill him and this cop STILL tried to save him.

Let me know if you ever hear of some wanna be thug (like T.Chandler )
actually try and HELP someone....

these punks will screw over their own mother to try and get over.

[SA210]

Why didn't you (or why don't you do it now?) hire an attorney and sue his ass?
Why don't you get together with all these people that this cop harassed and/or beat up and file a class action suit? You can file one against him personally and one against the department (big $$$) that continues to employ him.

If all you are saying really happened then you should do something about it.

I just gave you a few example stories. There are many things i give my time to, not just police brutality, but employment discrimination cases, landlord/tenant eviction cases, homeless issues and housing. I do what I can, and lawsuits are definitely in the plan. I have sued before. It's why Victoria Courts was rebuilt brand spankin new. Because I did something about it. I back up my talk with action.

[DMC]

Some cops are assholes, just like some assholes are cops. Whatever gang you rep or pretend to rep, some of your homies are assholes too.

[symple19]

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