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    I do agree that there is no equality in nothing, and foolish to think there ever will be. But I find it ironic that the author of the article you posted claims that (one would search the planet in vain to find a group of blacks that has managed to build an advanced society). One need not search the planet, or even leave this country. Was Benjamin Banneker black enough for you?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Banneker
    Lol. That website from which I linked the article is a known white supremacist site that tries its best to obscure its agenda underneath fancy academic rhetoric and "scientific" theories that are really nothing more than hyperbole and bunk.

    You and Kool will fry up nice tonight.

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    Then why didn't generations of social negligence prevent the Jews or Chinese from having high IQs?

    And I'm not trying to convince you of anything. Just reinforcing by way of your re ed responses the valid scientific theory that blacks are less intelligent than other races.
    ummm perhaps because they didn't suffer from a history of ins utionalized slavery...Jews have always ruled the world by proxy despite Hitler, and the Chinese never lost their country or culture...you speak of Africa as if it's a united continent...every country their has been colonized by musket toting thugs...

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    Thus far every article OCD posts confirms my theory of the social cure. If you test IQ in areas of the globe where there are socio-economic disparities then you should naturally judge that learning on subjective basis. The arguments I assume, assume that blacks were being judged on an equal playing field, even an OCD sufferer should know better than this. Whites suppressed blacks for centuries in the learning / scientific fields, then they pulled out the # 2 pencil to test. Back then and even today socio-economic factors I assume will always be the culprit...however, I'm very confident that both Tyson and Midget are of a lesser intelligence and social class than I am. Tyson is poor and Midget seems a slight step above the trailers. Now I'm not trying to disparage these groups but only those who look down on the people around them.
    You seem to referring to "Test Bias" with your statement about white people suppressing blacks then unfairly testing them at the drop of a hat.

    “Test Bias”

    At this point, the egalitarian defense claims that IQ tests are somehow biased against blacks. Common as this charge is, it is nothing more than an ex post facto explanation for results that displease the egalitarians, for no one can look through a well-designed intelligence test and explain what the bias is and where it is to be found.

    In fact, many modern IQ tests, such as Raven’s Progressive Matrices, have no verbal or cultural content at all. They test a person’s understanding of shapes and patterns, and are routinely given to people who do not even speak English. Other varieties of IQ test do involve language and inevitably have some cultural content — and these are the very tests on which the black/white gap in scores is narrowest. The more culturally specific an intelligence test is, the narrower the black/white gap becomes. The most abstract, culture-free tests show the largest gap.

    The theory of “test bias” is that unfair tests consistently underrate blacks’ abilities. If that were true, blacks who got the same test scores as whites would do better than the whites at the things test scores are supposed to measure: they would get better grades and do their jobs better. This does not happen; blacks do no better than the test scores predict. This raises a larger and different issue. Both the tests and the abilities they are supposed to measure may be biased against blacks. Some egalitarians actually make this argument, but it comes dangerously close to arguing that ability and intelligence themselves are somehow biased against blacks.

    The “cultural bias” position is further weakened by the fact that newly-arrived Asian immigrants, for whom the United States really is an alien culture, outperform both blacks and whites on IQ tests. The assertion that the same tests that are culturally biased against blacks somehow favor Asians strains credibility.

    If blacks are as intelligent as whites, there must be some way to demonstrate this. None has ever been devised. Are we to conclude that the intelligence of blacks remains forever hidden because every method for measuring it is faulty? Believers in test bias cannot explain why it is impossible to design an intelligence test — carefully eliminating all bias — on which blacks score as well as whites. The explanation is that there is no bias to eliminate. “Bias” is an imaginary culprit.

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    The white man has given you affirmative action and welfare and you ers still can't break the top soil.

    Jews nearly got wiped off the face of the earth just 60 years ago and today they run .

    Quit blaming the white man. Nature just preferred that you all play basketball and make good music over being a prominent influence in industry and science.

    Nothing wrong with that.
    The white man also gave us terrorism and UBL. The white man spent all these years demonizing blacks while in bed with the Muslims only to have the muslims bite them in the ass... But since you can't see through your arguments because of OCD let me help you...Affirmative action was nothing but a heat check for white people...since after all whites are the majority it was just a ploy to keep "honest people honest"...it was meant to show numbers and "progress" it wasn't intended to level the playing field you diseased brain numnuts

    Jews run because they always have...Einstein the most prominent Jew escaped Hitler's machine and came to the US so natuarally Jews would always have a hand up...If you spent more time studying history as opposed to KKK inspired dogma you might learn something....

    come again

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    ummm perhaps because they didn't suffer from a history of ins utionalized slavery...Jews have always ruled the world by proxy despite Hitler, and the Chinese never lost their country or culture...you speak of Africa as if it's a united continent...every country their has been colonized by musket toting thugs...
    Lol. The Japanese wreaked as much damage on China and its culture as the white man did on the motherland.

    You really are one stupid and ignorant mother er.

    All that racism, imperialism, and slavery made us blacks less intelligent.

    Nature just wanted you all to run and jump rather than think and invent. Deal with it, homie.

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    The white man also gave us terrorism and UBL. The white man spent all these years demonizing blacks while in bed with the Muslims only to have the muslims bite them in the ass... But since you can't see through your arguments because of OCD let me help you...Affirmative action was nothing but a heat check for white people...since after all whites are the majority it was just a ploy to keep "honest people honest"...it was meant to show numbers and "progress" it wasn't intended to level the playing field you diseased brain numnuts

    Jews run because they always have...Einstein the most prominent Jew escaped Hitler's machine and came to the US so natuarally Jews would always have a hand up...If you spent more time studying history as opposed to KKK inspired dogma you might learn something....

    come again
    And Einstein "ran the world" when?

    Like when he advised against nuclear proliferation but the US went ahead with it anyway? You'd think "the ruler of the world" would have more influence in that decision, don't you think?

    And sure affirmative action hasn't leveled the playing field. You all are too dumb to catch up even when given a head start.

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    You seem to referring to "Test Bias" with your statement about white people suppressing blacks then unfairly testing them at the drop of a hat.

    “Test Bias”

    At this point, the egalitarian defense claims that IQ tests are somehow biased against blacks. Common as this charge is, it is nothing more than an ex post facto explanation for results that displease the egalitarians, for no one can look through a well-designed intelligence test and explain what the bias is and where it is to be found.

    In fact, many modern IQ tests, such as Raven’s Progressive Matrices, have no verbal or cultural content at all. They test a person’s understanding of shapes and patterns, and are routinely given to people who do not even speak English. Other varieties of IQ test do involve language and inevitably have some cultural content — and these are the very tests on which the black/white gap in scores is narrowest. The more culturally specific an intelligence test is, the narrower the black/white gap becomes. The most abstract, culture-free tests show the largest gap.

    The theory of “test bias” is that unfair tests consistently underrate blacks’ abilities. If that were true, blacks who got the same test scores as whites would do better than the whites at the things test scores are supposed to measure: they would get better grades and do their jobs better. This does not happen; blacks do no better than the test scores predict. This raises a larger and different issue. Both the tests and the abilities they are supposed to measure may be biased against blacks. Some egalitarians actually make this argument, but it comes dangerously close to arguing that ability and intelligence themselves are somehow biased against blacks.

    The “cultural bias” position is further weakened by the fact that newly-arrived Asian immigrants, for whom the United States really is an alien culture, outperform both blacks and whites on IQ tests. The assertion that the same tests that are culturally biased against blacks somehow favor Asians strains credibility.

    If blacks are as intelligent as whites, there must be some way to demonstrate this. None has ever been devised. Are we to conclude that the intelligence of blacks remains forever hidden because every method for measuring it is faulty? Believers in test bias cannot explain why it is impossible to design an intelligence test — carefully eliminating all bias — on which blacks score as well as whites. The explanation is that there is no bias to eliminate. “Bias” is an imaginary culprit.
    you either foolishly typed or plagiarized all that only to have me reduce it to:

    Socio-economic factors while there's always exceptions to the rules...the blacks that did as well or better than the whites I'd venture to say were from stable families like mine...

    and I'm sure non OCD sufferers...

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    You're not a better person than me dude, not by a long shot. I'm young and successful while you're just a 30 year old disgusting human being, your personality is literally disgusting. On top of you being dumb as and having a small penis.

    ok

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    Lol. The Japanese wreaked as much damage on China and its culture as the white man did on the motherland.

    You really are one stupid and ignorant mother er.

    All that racism, imperialism, and slavery made us blacks less intelligent.

    Nature just wanted you all to run and jump rather than think and invent. Deal with it, homie.

    what is thia gibberish...by claiming I'm ignorant doesn't make it so you ing sound like Gary Payton rambling and ...give me cohesion or go home...

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    you either foolishly typed or plagiarized all that only to have me reduce it to:

    Socio-economic factors while there's always exceptions to the rules...the blacks that did as well or better than the whites I'd venture to say were from stable families like mine...

    and I'm sure non OCD sufferers...
    Then how do you explain other low income, "less advanced" minorities like Inuits and South East Asians out scoring sub-Saharan Africans by over 20 points?

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    And Einstein "ran the world" when?

    Like when he advised against nuclear proliferation but the US went ahead with it anyway? You'd think "the ruler of the world" would have more influence in that decision, don't you think?

    And sure affirmative action hasn't leveled the playing field. You all are too dumb to catch up even when given a head start.
    you tell me...I never implied Einstein ran the world...I said Jews have always ruled by proxy if you know what that means... you cant ing follow an argument without going OCD insane....

    and as for Affirmative Action I'm 100% positive it hasn't since you had legacy based admissions playing an alternate parallel role at the same time. However, what kind of college did you graduate from? You're a hick you're not college educated you seem like a white poser...and mad that a like Kool has all the advantages over you..you're classic angry white male...probably from a broken home with no father and a mother...just a wild guess...

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    you either foolishly typed or plagiarized all that only to have me reduce it to:

    Socio-economic factors while there's always exceptions to the rules...the blacks that did as well or better than the whites I'd venture to say were from stable families like mine...

    and I'm sure non OCD sufferers...
    Oh, and how the are "socio-economic" factors going to impair a person's ability to recognize patterns and other such tests that are based on pure logic and not knowledge?

    If you say their brains are underdeveloped due to malnutrition at an early age, I'll buy that, but that also in turn confirms a society too stupid to build an infrastructure that would prevent famine.

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    Then how do you explain other low income, "less advanced" minorities like Inuits and South East Asians out scoring sub-Saharan Africans by over 20 points?

    explanation: not as tribal living nor as impoverished.... what else can i help you with...this this...this...this...this...

    this repe ive OCD night

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    Oh, and how the are "socio-economic" factors going to impair a person's ability to recognize patterns and other such tests that are based on pure logic and not knowledge?

    If you say their brains are underdeveloped due to malnutrition at an early age, I'll buy that, but that also in turn confirms a society too stupid to build an infrastructure that would prevent famine.

    American society leads the way every day.... and I imagine it's not just famine Mr. OCD...perhaps it's broken homes, violence in the homes, maybe genocide in some parts if Africa, bottom line is the socio-economic factors are prevalent and glaring...

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    you tell me...I never implied Einstein ran the world...I said Jews have always ruled by proxy if you know what that means... you cant ing follow an argument without going OCD insane....

    and as for Affirmative Action I'm 100% positive it hasn't since you had legacy based admissions playing an alternate parallel role at the same time. However, what kind of college did you graduate from? You're a hick you're not college educated you seem like a white poser...and mad that a like Kool has all the advantages over you..you're classic angry white male...probably from a broken home with no father and a mother...just a wild guess...
    With the way your borderline illiterate ass worded it, yeah you did. You implied Einstein was a key Jew who might have being a proxy himself, representing "the men behind the curtain" to the United States after he fled Germany.

    Lol Jews always ruled the world.

    And show me the evidence "legacy admissions" impacted affirmative action's influence to such a degree that blacks had no chance.

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    Oh, and how the are "socio-economic" factors going to impair a person's ability to recognize patterns and other such tests that are based on pure logic and not knowledge?

    If you say their brains are underdeveloped due to malnutrition at an early age, I'll buy that, but that also in turn confirms a society too stupid to build an infrastructure that would prevent famine.

    let me just comment on this further...Do you not think if a kid is starving or wondering during class what he's going to eat for dinner or any number of other worries won't or can't affect his learning abilities...see this is what separates me from you..I come from a more affulent background than you and yet I can understand this basic concept..and yes I can tell by your passion you're beneath me..and yes again I'm one arrogant mother er and proud of it

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    American society leads the way every day.... and I imagine it's not just famine Mr. OCD...perhaps it's broken homes, violence in the homes, maybe genocide in some parts if Africa, bottom line is the socio-economic factors are prevalent and glaring...
    How would coming from a broken home affect a person's ability to freaking recognize patterns and employ deductive and inductive reasoning?

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    let me just comment on this further...Do you not think if a kid is starving or wondering during class what he's going to eat for dinner or any number of other worries won't or can't affect his learning abilities...see this is what separates me from you..I come from a more affulent background than you and yet I can understand this basic concept..and yes I can tell by your passion you're beneath me..and yes again I'm one arrogant mother er and proud of it
    But see, other impoverished societies were also tested and still scored higher than their black counterparts from similar socio-economic backgrounds.

    You seem to think Africa is the only famished nation in the world.

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    let me just comment on this further...Do you not think if a kid is starving or wondering during class what he's going to eat for dinner or any number of other worries won't or can't affect his learning abilities...see this is what separates me from you..I come from a more affulent background than you and yet I can understand this basic concept..and yes I can tell by your passion you're beneath me..and yes again I'm one arrogant mother er and proud of it
    And here you go (from the article I posted earlier):


    "One superficially plausible egalitarian argument is to claim that the meager cir stances in which blacks live thwart their development; rear blacks in good, middle-class homes, it is claimed, and they will be as smart as whites. In fact, a good number of adopted blacks have been reared in white homes, but their IQs remain closer to those of their natural parents than to their adoptive parents. The meager-cir stances argument likewise founders on the IQ scores of American Indians, Mexican immigrants, and Puerto Ricans. They often live in conditions of greater squalor than blacks, yet outperform them on intelligence tests."



    s and Injuns outperformed middle class blacks.

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    With the way your borderline illiterate ass worded it, yeah you did. You implied Einstein was a key Jew who might have being a proxy himself, representing "the men behind the curtain" to the United States after he fled Germany.

    Lol Jews always ruled the world.

    And show me the evidence "legacy admissions" impacted affirmative action's influence to such a degree that blacks had no chance.

    What's your degree in Midget....lie to me make some up...

    I will just say this about Legacy admissions...while they've always existed it took on greater meaning at the height of Affirmative Action by serving to undermine it. you miss the point...i get it...OCD

    Why?

    Because if your Dad gave his Alma Mater 5 million as a donation they're going to let you in regardless and even if you get a failing grade they won't kick you out. The legacy kids that don't make the grades get to stay and take away opportunities for qualified and deserving minorities. On the flip side if an affirmative action kid ( affirmative action is nothing but a protection against racism) gets a failing grade then they're out. Affirmation action may get you through the door if you have good test scores but it won't keep you there unlike legacy based admissions.

    People who claim Obama was an affirmative action admisson at Harvard are mistaken....and even if he was he had to make the grades to graduate Magna Laude from Harvard...he had to be smart....

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    Come back to me when Kobe has a bad like Alisyn, Ainsley, or Andrea hollah at him on Fox News.

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    But see, other impoverished societies were also tested and still scored higher than their black counterparts from similar socio-economic backgrounds.

    You seem to think Africa is the only famished nation in the world.

    but without knowing all the factors...(perhaps they had access to better school systems) Country dynamics are different you know... how and even why are you trying to make a conclusive argument?

    you reason like a guy that didn't go to college...you reason with misplaced passion and less intellect..similar to peckerwood or redneck...

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    What's your degree in Midget....lie to me make some up...

    I will just say this about Legacy admissions...while they've always existed it took on greater meaning at the height of Affirmative Action by serving to undermine it. you miss the point...i get it...OCD

    Why?

    Because if your Dad gave his Alma Mater 5 million as a donation they're going to let you in regardless and even if you get a failing grade they won't kick you out. The legacy kids that don't make the grades get to stay and take away opportunities for qualified and deserving minorities. On the flip side if an affirmative action kid ( affirmative action is nothing but a protection against racism) gets a failing grade then they're out. Affirmation action may get you through the door if you have good test scores but it won't keep you there unlike legacy based admissions.

    People who claim Obama was an affirmative action admisson at Harvard are mistaken....and even if he was he had to make the grades to graduate Magna Laude from Harvard...he had to be smart....
    That's great. But you still haven't shown me any evidence that legacy admissions deny opportunity specifically to blacks who were accepted because of affirmative action or otherwise.

    Legacy admissions deny EVERYONE equal opportunity, not just blacks.

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    Come back to me when Kobe has a bad like Alisyn, Ainsley, or Andrea hollah at him on Fox News.

    i will

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    but without knowing all the factors...(perhaps they had access to better school systems) Country dynamics are different you know... how and even why are you trying to make a conclusive argument?

    you reason like a guy that didn't go to college...you reason with misplaced passion and less intellect..similar to peckerwood or redneck...
    And conversely, you don't know the specifics of the conditions under which the African and African American subjects were tested. So we both only have conjecture on that front. For all I know, African schools could be great.

    But we do have the scores, and they state that African Americans have the lowest IQ among US citizens and that sub-Saharan Africans have an IQ 23 points below the world average.

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