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I also dont blame that all on TD either BTW ...
Ok, well I know you love just scoring, but if a big man getting 5 assists, 3 blocks, & 3 steals while defending well along with grabbing double digit boards isn't a quality game, then sorry.
Either way you asked for something and I gave you 2 out of 3 years which is more than you asked. It's not like in the past 3 years they have been going deep into the playoffs, how many close out or elimination games do you think he's had in the past 3 years
I also dont blame that all on TD either BTW ...
stop wasting your time with that midget er and ask him what happened the last time the Spurs tried to repeat...what happened in 2008 to the SPurs...that was their last le attempt.And I apologize I do realize that you have a lot less games that fit the criteria in recent seasons ...
I could post a youtube but I won't this time
all im saying it was a goodgame for a all-star big, not a 1st ballot HOF one ...
Either way you asked for something and I gave you 2 out of 3 years which is more than you asked. It's not like in the past 3 years they have been going deep into the playoffs, how many close out or elimination games do you think he's had in the past 3 years
duncan or shaq in his prime being held under 20 is a great defensive effort. Read my original post I said "vintage" or BIG game those numbers are quality but I dont consider that vintage or "BIG" ...
That doesn't make any sense and is a big reason why you won't be around much longer. I'm glad real basketball talk is back, but it also makes you useless around here.
LOL i just love scoring ...Yep as a coach that is ALL I care about ...
Either way you asked for something and I gave you 2 out of 3 years which is more than you asked. It's not like in the past 3 years they have been going deep into the playoffs, how many close out or elimination games do you think he's had in the past 3 years
all of my threads are 100% pure beef...pure basketball....and that's why you're mired in them ass deepy...
Well again, I don't know why this turned into this debate, but my last point about the scoring comment is that Tim has clearly been better in elimination/closeout games than Kobe. It's just a bad way to measure decline. Even if you wanted to used that, I gave you (in just a limited amount of opportunities) 1 non-arguable game from Tim and 1 where we disagree. I also showed you his advanced metrics that say the decline isn't what your silly friends make it out to be.LOL i just love scoring ...Yep as a coach that is ALL I care about ...
But about the scoring comment: Kobe's games are all looked at offensively, Tim has standout games in those situations on BOTH ENDS.
are you saing Kobe has none in the criteria I gave?
Again in case you missed it:
1. Series tied
2. close out
3. Elimination
are you saying Kobe has not been better in the last 4 seasons in these situations ... seriously?!
Both ends?^
Kobe has been terrible in those games overall. More bad than good. He's just had more opps because of a better team.
This wasn't about Kobe though. You brought up the two criteria (close outs, eliminations and PER). I showed you evidence in all areas that Tim's decline cannot be called steep and Kobe's not by those measurements. That's all this was about.
I should clarify: Kobe hasn't been terrible. I mean, he has had some real stinkers, but overall I meant compared to when things are good (his normal averages) more than any other star he has had a dip in those situations. But his numbers are still solid in the moment, just below what you would expect.
Huh? My points:
1. Kobe's PER was better last year thanthe previous one
2. Duncan's decline is deeper because when facing elimination, a tied series or a close out chance the past 3 seasons I could not recall a BIG, "vintage" Duncan type game. You gave me one example that fits ...
3. when I explained why Kobe was not in as a steep of decline and Asked you to refute whether or not Kobe has come through in the stated situations ...you pulled some close-out artcile out of you ass.
Again are you stating Kobe has not come through in ANY of the 3 or does me spelling it out STILL "not make any sense to you"? If you say he has not, I will pull up the stats if you concede he has then I have proven my point.
Also Kobe not showing up against the Mavs concerns me. IF he doe sthat again next playoffs, then he will be in the same boat with duncan.
Has Tim not come through? Does his PER not reflect an elite level? So why are you saying his decline is steep? I've answered all of your questions with stats to back it up (sometimes twice or three times) so answer that.
You didn't say Tim's decline was "steeper" than Kobe's, you said it was steep.
BTW, this is your first post on the subject. No where does it lay out the moved goal post you say here about "elimination, tied series or close out chance"
To which I proved you wrong with the games stats in the elimination games. I can't see how you can continue to argue this.
Guy, I posted the first thing you said. Only after a few posts later of my responses did you move the goal posts and start jumping up and down wildly pointing out "elimination games, tied or close outs".
Did I not quote your first post on it? Am I just making that post of yours that I copied up?
If what you are saying came before the post I quoted, I sincerely apologize. I didn't see it.
Huh?
are you unable to read without the bold and the italics?
Again I said the last 3 seasons ...
I asked you for the 3rd tinme is duncan better than Kobe in thse situations going back 3 seasons? how about 4 when they last faced each other?
You also failed to miss my stats on Duncan TWICE, so maybe you shouldn't be throwing stones there Killa
I DID miss that DPG,You also failed to miss my stats on Duncan TWICE, so maybe you shouldn't be throwing stones there Killa
BTW my criteria was on page 4 of this thread ...
It's all good DPG at least you admit your mistake Like I did mine ...
and like i said jury is still out on Kobe's decline if I see another playoff like last year I will agree with you. for now I stand by my point ...
Huh? That isn't what you asked and again, the post I quoted with just "elimination games" was the very first thing you said when I called you out on "just using metrics".Huh?
are you unable to read without the bold and the italics?
Again I said the last 3 seasons ...
I asked you for the 3rd tinme is duncan better than Kobe in thse situations going back 3 seasons? how about 4 when they last faced each other?
You are moving the goal posts AGAIN. Your original argument was that Kobe's decline was not steep, but Tim's was based on PER and Elimination games. You said Tim had no good elimination games in the past 3 years and that Kobe's PER was better than his last year.
I said that was stupid and that if those were the qualifiers you were using to say whether Tim's decline was steep and Kobe's was not, that you were wrong. I proved this by posting Tim's elite PER last year along with proving you wrong that he had no good games in close out/elimination games in the last 3 years.
What your asking about whether or not Kobe has had more good games has nothing to do with anything except you wanting to stroke Kobe for something he's been knocked on more than anything his entire career for: not playing big in games as you described.
I also even said Tim has declined. I didn't even deny that. I only denied that the criteria you are using to measure which drop off is steep is wrong.
Bottom line, I don't think the Lakeshow as constructed are contenders. Adding BDiddy and Rashard won't turn them into one either, IMO.
But, they can always pull a trade no other small markets can, so we'll have to wait until the FA period is over.
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