Lakers pull out of three team trade (Again)

[DMC]

Trade was agreed to. Lakers didnt leak remember, Lamar didnt even get a "call"

All trades are subject to the approval of the NBA.

[jesterbobman]

I think the Mediocrity treadmill is the reason for the Hornets to not make it. The original trade would've probably made/kept them as a 45/50 win team, good enough to make the playoffs but not good enough to win a bunch of series. If they want to win a le, getting trades with the Clippers(Minnesota pick) and Celtics(Clippers pick? - depends what's in the deal) helps them do that.

The main question is with attendance. NO has had issues drawing a crowd, and crowds tend to come when there's a good team, not for a star. Sure, some individuals come to see a great talent, and the two are likely to be intertwined, but generally people respond to wins. Maybe being on the treadmill would've helped sell tickets and make more money for the Hornets this year, but there are certainly arguments against moving to get a bunch of 3rd banana guys and being a middle of the league team, especially considering the specific draft this year.

[Pelicans78]

Everyone is assuming that the Hornets will strike gold in the draft. Its never a guarantee and it takes a whole lot of luck. I can see why the Hornets were making that trade because its such a big gamble to start over. The Hornets did that in 2004-2005 by tanking and trading away Baron Davis and other veterans and had the second worst record in the league. They still fell to 4th in the lottery, but got lucky that CP3 fell in their lap. If they didn't draft CP3, they would have been a perennial loser.

[DPG21920]

Of course there are no guarantees, but that is silly logic. IMO, by that logic, they shouldn't trade either because Scola/Odom/Martin could all suffer major injuries and never be the same level of player they are again.

Point is you have to give your team the best shot possible. If you trust Demps and you think he is a genius that can pull of such a sick trade, you can't turn around and say you don't trust that guy armed with numerous high draft picks to do well. Nothing is guaranteed, but you build through the draft and give yourself the best shot possible.

Drafting isn't all luck, the luck part usually is more about getting the luck to get high enough picks to draft good players (which NO would have). There is a reason why teams like the Spurs continue to draft stars no matter where they draft from. It's hard, but not impossible if you trust your guys.

[Pelicans78]

Of course there are no guarantees, but that is silly logic. IMO, by that logic, they shouldn't trade either because Scola/Odom/Martin could all suffer major injuries and never be the same level of player they are again.

Point is you have to give your team the best shot possible. If you trust Demps and you think he is a genius that can pull of such a sick trade, you can't turn around and say you don't trust that guy armed with numerous high draft picks to do well. Nothing is guaranteed, but you build through the draft and give yourself the best shot possible.

Drafting isn't all luck, the luck part usually is more about getting the luck to get high enough picks to draft good players (which NO would have). There is a reason why teams like the Spurs continue to draft stars no matter where they draft from. It's hard, but not impossible if you trust your guys.

At this point now, he should take the tanking approach. It won't make the season ticket holders happy, but it is only a shortened season. Really, the team needs to focus on signing a long-term lease and then establish a stable ownership.

I still believe that he wasn't finished after the proposed trade. He was probably going to ship Odom or Scola for more pieces. Sad thing is Martin would have easily been their best SG since Bobby Phils back in the Charlotte days.

[DPG21920]

I still think they will trade him and get an offer that makes more sense. It might not be some amazing trade, but you will get a better young talent/prospect out of it (like said, not a guarantee they turn out amazing), a higher draft pick and flexibility.

[ChuckD]

At this point now, he should take the tanking approach. It won't make the season ticket holders happy, but it is only a shortened season. Really, the team needs to focus on signing a long-term lease and then establish a stable ownership.

I still believe that he wasn't finished after the proposed trade. He was probably going to ship Odom or Scola for more pieces. Sad thing is Martin would have easily been their best SG since Bobby Phils back in the Charlotte days.

Martin's best weapon, the drawn "and one" by jumping sideways into someone, just got taken away by the league with the new continuation rule interpretation. Ninety five percent of his "and ones" will go away, and be replaced by no foul, a non-shooting foul, or in rare occasions, two shots for a non-continuation shooting foul. He was always only able to offset his horrendous defense by his plus scoring. That's no longer going to be the case.

[DMC]

At this point now, he should take the tanking approach. It won't make the season ticket holders happy, but it is only a shortened season. Really, the team needs to focus on signing a long-term lease and then establish a stable ownership.

I still believe that he wasn't finished after the proposed trade. He was probably going to ship Odom or Scola for more pieces. Sad thing is Martin would have easily been their best SG since Bobby Phils back in the Charlotte days.

It would be a mistake to sign a long term lease when you don't have an owner. What if a new owner wants to uproot the team? It narrows the field for prospective buyers.

Any city that cannot field a team without NBA intervention probably isn't going to suddenly get better about it.

How much did Katrina really affect the Hornets? It seems it make OKC a viable NBA city and the Sonics took advantage of that. Look at them now.

There are a lot of cities in the South that do not have any pro franchises, some states have nothing.

[Spurs9]

Stern finally sets up a trade that will work for basketball reasons.

Then Lakers:
Naw we will pass on CP3 now.

[Pelicans78]

It would be a mistake to sign a long term lease when you don't have an owner. What if a new owner wants to uproot the team? It narrows the field for prospective buyers.

Any city that cannot field a team without NBA intervention probably isn't going to suddenly get better about it.

How much did Katrina really affect the Hornets? It seems it make OKC a viable NBA city and the Sonics took advantage of that. Look at them now.

There are a lot of cities in the South that do not have any pro franchises, some states have nothing.

That's the point of signing a lease. The new owner will have to keep the team in the city for a bit. I'm sure the league has available owners who will buy the team in New Orleans otherwise they wouldn't have done all the things they did this season.

[Pelicans78]

It would be a mistake to sign a long term lease when you don't have an owner. What if a new owner wants to uproot the team? It narrows the field for prospective buyers.

Any city that cannot field a team without NBA intervention probably isn't going to suddenly get better about it.

How much did Katrina really affect the Hornets? It seems it make OKC a viable NBA city and the Sonics took advantage of that. Look at them now.

There are a lot of cities in the South that do not have any pro franchises, some states have nothing.

The Rangers and the Dodgers have been under control of the MLB at some point. Does that mean those cities shouldn't have baseball teams?

[Trainwreck2100]

The Rangers and the Dodgers have been under control of the MLB at some point. Does that mean those cities shouldn't have baseball teams?

the difference is people actually wanted to buy those teams, nobody wants to touch the hornets

[Duncan2177]

Magic Tell Dwight To Prepare To Stay Put For Foreseeable Future
Dec 11, 2011 12:32 PM EST

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...seeable_Future

[ChumpDumper]

The Rangers and the Dodgers have been under control of the MLB at some point. Does that mean those cities shouldn't have baseball teams?

Montreal is a more relevant example in this case.

[Pelicans78]

Montreal is a more relevant example in this case.

Well if the Hornets leave, then you'll be right, but if not.....