Should the Lakers Throw in the Towel?

[DeadlyDynasty]

I don't disagree fully with that, DD. You are getting hung up on my definition of contender vs yours. My opinion may not be yours, but it's not like I'm in left field with my definition of contender.

I thought Dallas, a team with no one who could slash and create for themselves (outside of Dirk), who relied solely on perimeter jump-shooting against the best perimeter defensive team in the league had no shot, but Lebron choked.

I hear ya, brotha...and not to sound like an arrogant asshole but as a Lakerfan my idea of contender is a team that can win it all, not Place or Show. If this was the NFL or March Madness our teams would have a chance--but this is 7 games.

The Finals last year was an anomaly. In fact, 2011 and 2006 are the only years I can remember in the NBA where the better team lost because of unfathomable chokage.

[Pelicans78]

Seriously?

Its possible, if other guys get hot and make 3's or if Kobe consistently goes off, but it's not likely.

Gasol's not great, but he does need a bit more touches as he's their most efficient player offensively.

[Koolaid_Man]

Calderon 20 points, Im guessing EVERY PG in the NBA is circling us on the schedule

you betta know it...licking they chops at Fisher, Blake, and Glock...we're in bad spot because we cover all the colors of the spectrum..The oldest PG ( playing) in Fisher, to a Rookie in Glock, to a scared white boy running the show...Trust me when I say this but Kobe despises Blake you can see it on his face. He has more respect for Glock as a rookie...because at least Glock will shoot it...and Kobe's just always gonna be flat out loyal to Fish no matter what...they came in together...it's a true Love story

[DPG21920]

I give two s if he is trolling or not. To me that is an excuse people use on here when they are wrong. Im taking him at face value, and when we get rolled out of the 1st or 2nd round, I will remind him of it. He loves to crow when he is right, he just said he is NOT trolling.

But of course he is gonna blame it on Kobe, when even Kobehaters like Harlem have started to realize how flawed this team is.

You're missing my point entirely. I fully acknowledged this team has flaws. I still think they are a contender to make it out of the West legitimately (there are a few teams in the West that are true contenders IMO: OKC, SA, LA, DAL & POR).

They very well could get rolled out in the first or second round but that wouldn't change my opinion that they had a legit shot. When there are no clear cut favorites, it's going to be a close run and many times there is a fine line between winning and losing when things are jumbled up like this.

I don't love to crow when I'm right. I rarely ever start threads, I bring it up occasionally when provoked & that's about it. I certainly show up when I'm wrong and admit it (paid $500 on a lost bet about the Mavs after being welshed on) and people love to come at me when I'm wrong far more than I crow when I'm right.

[DPG21920]

Chandler made them much better offensively since he could function in a pick n roll.

Lebron may have choked, but Dallas's defense played well, especially with Chandler. Also, the Mavs had way more depth than the Heat.

Ok, but no one (outside of Mav fans) was really having DAL as a favorite and there is no question that if Lebron just plays to his averages, MIA wins.

[Pelicans78]

BTW DPG, I never said Dallas was gonna win it all. I just said they were gonna win the West because of Chandler which you disagreed with. Don't change the subject by bringing up Lebron. This is about winning the West. You said losing Butler would hurt the Mavs more than Chandler would help. Obviously, you were wrong about dem Mavs.

[DeadlyDynasty]

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manu>dirk

thanks for the great takes, as always.

[Koolaid_Man]

Not when you're giving major minutes to:

1. A ginger who can't defend or hit shots in the playoffs

2. An undersized fat-ass who has no real position or purpose on the court.

3. A guy who figuratively sucks on the court, and literally sucks off it.

Deep down Spurs fans know this to be true, despite the veil of optimism they try to maintain.

so that means they have a chance you just don't like the odds...ask yourself what were the odds of your sperm head reaching that egg to fertilize it...even though it was like one in 10 million you still had a chance

[Pelicans78]

In to bynum, to start the 4th.
AAron Gray on him. Davis came over late, but the shot had no chance. Look I like Bynum. But drew is not ready to be the focal point of an offense especially one with no high quality PGs

Its true. He's no more reliable offensively than Kobe.

The key for the Lakers is Gasol. If he doesn't step up, they have no chance. We saw last year in the playoffs.

[DeadlyDynasty]

so that means they have a chance you just don't like the odds...ask yourself what were the odds of your sperm head reaching that egg to fertilize it...even though it was like one in 10 million you still had a chance

The Nazi harborer will be happy to know he has someone in his corner now.

[DPG21920]

BTW DPG, I never said Dallas was gonna win it all. I just said they were gonna win the West because of Chandler which you disagreed with. Don't change the subject by bringing up Lebron. This is about winning the West. You said losing Butler would hurt the Mavs more than Chandler would help. Obviously, you were wrong about dem Mavs.

This is true. If you remember, I was one of the most vocal about the positive nature of trading for Chandler even when Mavs fans were jumping off cliffs because they used the Damp Chip on Tyson.

I overplayed how big of a deal Caron was for a team like Dallas. I had never in the history of the game seen a team built like Dallas win a le with that type of offense.

[DAF86]

manu>dirk

thanks for the great takes, as always.

Was that supossed to be funny, make me mad or be interpreted as proof that you don't have anymore arguments regarding this subject?

[Killakobe81]

A good big man, always wants a good PG or an unselfish wing player. Kobe may not be completely selfish, but I get why Dwill is his preferred #2 ...

[DeadlyDynasty]

2006 may have been more shocking. Not because of the 2-0 lead and Game 3 comeback, but b/c the Heat won with White Chocolate and Antoine Walker, and getting crap production out of Shaq in that series.

[Killakobe81]

This is true. If you remember, I was one of the most vocal about the positive nature of trading for Chandler even when Mavs fans were jumping off cliffs because they used the Damp Chip on Tyson.

I overplayed how big of a deal Caron was for a team like Dallas. I had never in the history of the game seen a team built like Dallas win a le with that type of offense.

And they shouldn't have. If Lebron is Lebron to cloe out that series, Mavs still ringless. Lebron no matter how many les he ends up with ...will have left one on the table ...

[DPG21920]

My point is Killa, that whether or not you want to microscope your bigs, the expectations are crazy and bashing them is silly considering in what most Laker fans would call a bad game, your bigs are combined for 26 points, 20 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 blocks on 50% FG.

[DPG21920]

Even a PG like Calderon would do wonders for LA. They don't need a lot to really jump up their chances IMO.

[DPG21920]

BTW, I would do Pau for Parker right now.

[Muser]

BTW, I would do Pau for Parker right now.

[Koolaid_Man]

My point is Killa, that whether or not you want to microscope your bigs, the expectations are crazy and bashing them is silly considering in what most Laker fans would call a bad game, your bigs are combined for 26 points, 20 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 blocks on 50% FG.

horrible horrible horrible combined stats for allegedly two of best bigs in the game...but I can see how a man of your stature would think they're big

[DeadlyDynasty]

Was that supossed to be funny, make me mad or be interpreted as proof that you don't have anymore arguments regarding this subject?

Here's your entire argument, you Nazi chugger: "They have a chance!"--literally, that's your argument in this thread (go back and look).

Thanks for that great revelation, Scotty. Yeah...LeBron could break his ankle or the team plane could go down. There, that's your chance.

off and find another argument other than semantics.

Till then, manu>dirk

[Koolaid_Man]

BTW, I would do Pau for Parker right now.

I'm just glad you know more about the Lakers than you do the Spurs...

[Pelicans78]

And they shouldn't have. If Lebron is Lebron to cloe out that series, Mavs still ringless. Lebron no matter how many les he ends up with ...will have left one on the table ...

But Lebron is Lebron. Not a reliable perimeter game, not a reliable post game. Just a super athletic ball handler. Mavs knew that. Plus, Wade didn't deliver either. Mavs earned that le.

[Muser]

BTW, I would do Pau for Parker right now.

I'm interested, what is lakerfans opinion on this?

[DeadlyDynasty]

Mavs earned it for sure, but LeBron tripped on his repeatedly and choked like no other. It's one thing to shoot like (6-24) but keep gunning. It's quite another to know you're the best player on the court but refuse to touch the ball in the waning moments of the Finals.

If LeBron wasn't so mentally weak that Finals goes to Miami. I think he's grown a lot since then, though