What, no threads giving props to Tony Parker?

[dbreiden83080]

Newsflash: Tony Parker isn't as good as Kevin Durant.

Let's crucify him.

No need to crucify but this series was a chance to elevate his legacy. Didn't happen he is still the same guy that needed Duncan to win his chips....

[DontStopBelieving]

Literally no one said anything about Manu being 2-for-8 in the fourth quarter of Game 5 and everyone basically shrugged off his missed three-pointer that could have tied it. No one makes a big deal of him being mostly MIA tonight.

But Parker balls his heart out tonight and basically carried the offense for 90% of the game and might have been the best defensive player yet there are those trying to paint him as the person who lost the game. Amazing.

Ish is just mind-boggling dumb if it isn't part of some type of agenda (Manu love, trolling, etc.).

Manu ing sucked. I think people are just giving him a pass for his godlike performance when the game was on the line in game 5.

Parker was amazing in the first quarter, don't get me wrong, but 29 points on 27 shots isn't that great. Were you not annoyed with Parker taking all of those long 2s during crunch time, when he is not even that great of a shooter? Were you not screaming at the TV when he took that 3 with 45 seconds left in the game down 4 with plenty of time on the shot clock?

Couple his ty performance in crunch time with how terrible he was in games 3-5, and you get pissed off spurfan.

[dg7md]

You're delusional if you think Ginobili would EVER get criticized after going for 29 and 12 on the road in a must-win. Yeah, Ginobili got criticized when he was injured or when he was outplayed by Sasha Vujacic the last time the Spurs were in the WCF

You just said it right there...

If Ginobili bricked the second half and only played well in the first, I can guarantee you many people would be saying trade Manu, which was a big topic here many years ago. Only real supporters would be the Argentine fans, IMO...

[ElNono]

Newsflash: Tony Parker isn't as good as Kevin Durant.

Let's crucify him.

Not crucify him, this is where it gets re ed. He's just not a leader. That shouldn't be a taken as a knock, tbh. Some players are, some players are not.

If you want to know who I want to crucify, that's Matt ing Bonner.

[FkLA]

You guys are dumb if you think anyone is criticizing Parkers stat line. Its the 2nd half and the previous 3 games people have an issue with.

[DPG21920]

I did see the scrubs Drob had. I agree TP is special. He has always been my favorite Spur (of the big 3). He is a top 5 PG in the league and I have been arguing that for years with the dbags in the NBA forum.

I'm not couting on anything, rebuilding will be brutual and I am resigned to the fact Spurs likely will never have another le in all reality. Perceptions and expectations (for me) will be adjusted then.

I'm just saying I don't get the context in this game and the criticisms from some (not all, because some of it is silly) and how that relates to a suck ass rebuild coming up.

[DPG21920]

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[timvp]

No need to crucify but this series was a chance to elevate his legacy. Didn't happen he is still the same guy that needed Duncan to win his chips....

So Parker isn't as good as Prime Duncan or Current Durant. The travesty.

[dbreiden83080]

Manu ing sucked. I think people are just giving him a pass for his godlike performance when the game was on the line in game 5.

Parker was amazing in the first quarter, don't get me wrong, but 29 points on 27 shots isn't that great. Were you not annoyed with Parker taking all of those long 2s during crunch time, when he is not even that great of a shooter? Were you not screaming at the TV when he took that 3 with 45 seconds left in the game down 4 with plenty of time on the shot clock?

Couple his ty performance in crunch time with how terrible he was in games 3-5, and you get pissed off spurfan.

Manu was largely awful in the series.. He was Feast or Famine as usual...

[TDMVPDPOY]

I am disappointed in anyone who says TP is the teams best player but doesn't deserve any criticism for have a below average second half when the team was struggling.

tpfans starting become like kobefans now...leader gets all the credit when they win, leader gets a free pass when they dont win but like to point fingers at others after all the coat riding

perfect setup to shine for 2 years only to be expose nothing but a regular season player, playoff choker...then again who cares anyway, the team over achieve

[timvp]

You just said it right there...

If Ginobili bricked the second half and only played well in the first, I can guarantee you many people would be saying trade Manu, which was a big topic here many years ago. Only real supporters would be the Argentine fans, IMO...

Where was this after Game 5 then?

[dbreiden83080]

So Parker isn't as good as Prime Duncan or Current Durant. The travesty.

Like i said it was a chance to elevate his legacy... He failed.... A better showing in game 4 or 5 and the Spurs are looking at game 7..

[dg7md]

Give me a pass-first guard on our offense and we'd have less issues with this series.

[kaji157]

Newsflash: Tony Parker isn't as good as Kevin Durant.

Let's crucify him.

Not at all, but if you remember when Ginbili was at his best, when Duncan was, in which quarter they used to come up big.
And then you watch Tony Parker first quarter and you see he has gone 7 of 10 you realise that the rest of the game he was 6 for 17.
And i expect a lot more from my best player.

[DPG21920]

I just don't get why certain posters are taking shots at other posters and being intellectually dishonest because it's a tough loss?

We know Parkers stats. But those are the same guys who usually go beyond in evaluation of games and performances and players. The fact is, as the teams best player and a top 5 MVP candidate, you can't have second halfs like TP when your team loses the biggest halftime lead in franchise history for a playoff game and not be criticized. We can all read the boxscore, but those who watched the game know that despite his heroic first half, it wasn't enough for the win and that doesnt mean he needed God mode in the 2nd half to win; he just couldn't lay an egg essentially.

[timvp]

Give me a pass-first guard on our offense and we'd have less issues with this series.

@ thinking the offense lost this series. The Spurs offense was as good or better than could have been expected coming into this series.

[dg7md]

Where was this after Game 5 then?

Ginobili is capable of making the shots he took. He is a wild player, and often messes up big-time with really long or crazy threes, but he can make them and has made a history of it. He has the clutch gene, typically.

Parker, on the other hand, has never been a consistent jumpshooter and has NEVER been a good three point shooter, but yet he took a lot of very, very bad, momentum-changing shots that corrupted our offensive flow and ruined our chances to fight back.

@timvp

Our offense blew... we only played good offense in the first half of this game, which I feel was our best start ever. We just did not make shots. Our offense sucked this series. OKC couldn't be stopped, but we messed up by not answering back aside from miracle SJax shots tonight.

[ElNono]

You're delusional if you think Ginobili would EVER get criticized after going for 29 and 12 on the road in a must-win. Yeah, Ginobili got criticized when he was injured or when he was outplayed by Sasha Vujacic the last time the Spurs were in the WCF but in the same cir stance, we'd all be bowing down to Ginobili's greatness and saying how the Thunder are lucky he ran out of gas or else Ginobili would have destroyed them single-handedly. And I'd be right there saying the same things.

Be real.

But it's a flawed premise. When was the last time Manu took 27 shots in a game like that? Manu on his prime could get to the basket every time. He never shriveled from contact.

[MannyIsGod]

I did see the scrubs Drob had. I agree TP is special. He has always been my favorite Spur (of the big 3). He is a top 5 PG in the league and I have been arguing that for years with the dbags in the NBA forum.

I'm not couting on anything, rebuilding will be brutual and I am resigned to the fact Spurs likely will never have another le in all reality. Perceptions and expectations (for me) will be adjusted then.

I'm just saying I don't get the context in this game and the criticisms from some (not all, because some of it is silly) and how that relates to a suck ass rebuild coming up.

I agree with most of your post. I think thats why tonight hurt so much - because this I think was an unexpected le run and probably the last one for awhile. If OKC can keep their team together, they are primed to become a dynasty. I think the best is yet to come from that team.

You gotta understand that this thread is not built out of this game but out of years of watching Tony not get his due. I thought he finally started to get it at the end of this year. Getting those symbolic MVP votes was pretty amazing.

Tony had a chance to really cement that in this series and he didn't do it. Thats definitely true. I don't think he can ever be blamed for the Spurs losing the series but it is true that he didn't win it for them. There's a huge difference in those two things.

I probably have a soft spot for Tony because of the DRob years I keep referencing. Watching the players David had to play with before Avery was pretty brutal. Even Avery was someone who just fit because of the players around him. He didn't have a quarter of TP's talent and skills. But its pretty undeniable that Parker's gotten undue hate for the past 10 years here.

[ElNono]

I just don't get why certain posters are taking shots at other posters and being intellectually dishonest because it's a tough loss?

We know Parkers stats. But those are the same guys who usually go beyond in evaluation of games and performances and players. The fact is, as the teams best player and a top 5 MVP candidate, you can't have second halfs like TP when your team loses the biggest halftime lead in franchise history for a playoff game and not be criticized. We can all read the boxscore, but those who watched the game know that despite his heroic first half, it wasn't enough for the win and that doesnt mean he needed God mode in the 2nd half to win; he just couldn't lay an egg essentially.

As a matter of fact, my biggest criticism of TP was for Game 5. It's not even close. Just seeing him produce like he did in the 1st half this game is what makes you wonder what the was that effort at home in Game 5?

[Dr. John R. Brinkley]

Parker showed up. That first half was transcendent. Any doubts about Parker were answered immediately and convincingly. , I was expecting the Spurs to get run out of the gym.

In the second half the Thunder responded and the Spurs as a team struggled, as they have been for the past few games...because the Thunder are a damn good team.

If anything, I think this was one of Parker's better games. Hating on Parker after this game is just silly.

[DPG21920]

I agree with most of your post. I think thats why tonight hurt so much - because this I think was an unexpected le run and probably the last one for awhile. If OKC can keep their team together, they are primed to become a dynasty. I think the best is yet to come from that team.

You gotta understand that this thread is not built out of this game but out of years of watching Tony not get his due. I thought he finally started to get it at the end of this year. Getting those symbolic MVP votes was pretty amazing.

Tony had a chance to really cement that in this series and he didn't do it. Thats definitely true. I don't think he can ever be blamed for the Spurs losing the series but it is true that he didn't win it for them. There's a huge difference in those two things.

I probably have a soft spot for Tony because of the DRob years I keep referencing. Watching the players David had to play with before Avery was pretty brutal. Even Avery was someone who just fit because of the players around him. He didn't have a quarter of TP's talent and skills. But its pretty undeniable that Parker's gotten undue hate for the past 10 years here.

Im in the same vote. , I remember getting scoffed for saying pre season I thought TP would finish Top 10 in MVP voting this year. He surpassed that and he has never gotten the credit that he's due and it's annoying.

I agree with the bold part too, I said the exact thing and that is where my criticism of this game comes from. You are correct, it's a huge difference in meaning too. Huge.

But I guess Timvp wants to take shots because I dont agree with him which is a little disappointing considering I come over every damn holiday.

[TDMVPDPOY]

so who had the final laugh after calling westbrick out.....

[DPG21920]

Who normally gets "blamed" for losses? The teams best player. This isn't anything new despite being emotional about a tough loss. Is TP the "reason" they lost? No. Is he a big part of the reason they did not win? Yes.

See, Manny

[ElNono]

Im in the same vote. , I remember getting scoffed for saying pre season I thought TP would finish Top 10 in MVP voting this year. He surpassed that and he has never gotten the credit that he's due and it's annoying.

I agree with the bold part too, I said the exact thing and that is where my criticism of this game comes from. You are correct, it's a huge difference in meaning too. Huge.

But I guess Timvp wants to take shots because I dont agree with him which is a little disappointing considering I come over every damn holiday.