Ford: Oberto is coming; Scola not coming

[Kori Ellis]

I've read 2006 but I'll defer to you onthis one for sure. If it's 2007 then it doesn't look good maybe ever.

Scola, que tiene contrato hasta 2007 y su salida podría rondar los dos millones de euros

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...07+euros&hl=en

Scola tiene contrato hasta 2007 con Tau Cerámica de España y su salida podría rondar los dos millones de euros.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...07+euros&hl=en

I'm actually still not sure. But I've read 2007 a lot.

[CosmicCowboy]

Tau is notoriously hardnosed about buyouts. They are a top team and want to stay there. Scola could be stuck this year.

I think bringing Oberto in is not only insurance but a bargaining chip to get Nazr to extend at a reasonable price this summer that the Spurs can live with. Clearly if his agent doesn't deal and holds out for more then the Spurs will know exactly where they stand and what his number will be next summer...and will act accordingly. If the number is too high Spurs would have a choice of putting him on the trading block or letting him playout his contract year here.

[2centsworth]

I think Spurs fans are overrating Scola and underrating Oberto. I've seen a lot of Argentine basketball and I've always been on record that Oberto is as good a prospect to come in and contribute right away. Oberto is bigger, a better rebounder, a better defender, a better shotblocker and a better passer. In fact, Oberto is one of the best bigman passers I've ever seen.

Scola is good too, but he's overrated worldwide. He has a much higher ceiling than Oberto ... although I believe that he could bust in the NBA. Oberto, on the other hand, is what he is. He's basically a poor man's Vlade Divac who brings some of the same Manu-like toughness and hardnosed play to the court.

I like this move a lot. If it came down to Oberto for three-years at $4-6M and Scola for three-years at $10-12M ... this is what I would have done too. Oberto is an above average backup center in the league.

Now, this also gives the Spurs a lot of flexibility.

1) Trading Rasho. With three capable centers on the roster, Rasho can be traded. It wouldn't have made as much sense to trade him without bringing in another center.

2) Trading Scola. I know this would be an unpopular move, but the Spurs have to look at it. He's a little overvalued around the league right now and teams may be willing to give up a lot for him. There's also some question regarding when he buyout ends. I'm hearing that he might have TWO years remaining on his Spanish contract and the buyout is getting bigger by the year. If that's the case, trading him for a young prospect at a forward or guard position makes even more sense.

3) Using the MLE. I'm guessing Oberto is being signed with the LLE. If that is the case, now the full MLE is free to use. If the Spurs have someone in mind, that meant they couldn't really bring over Scola anyways and this signing helped strengthen their big positions.

Right on point! Still Scola would be nice to have too. Price has got to be right, especially in SA. In New York money is not a problem.

[Rick Von Braun]

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...07+euros&hl=en



http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...07+euros&hl=en

I'm actually still not sure. But I've read 2007 a lot.

That is a Dominican Republic newspaper. No offense, but I would rather trust a Spanish newspaper.

Moreover, the second link is from a newspaper that no longer exists.

[FromWayDowntown]

Scola tiene contrato hasta 2007 con Tau Cerámica de España y su salida podría rondar los dos millones de euros.

That puts the buyout at around $2.5 million, too. I'd assume the Spurs are still only allowed to contribute about $300,000 to the buy out, so they'll have to be able to pay Scola at least $2 million plus a reasonable salary in Year 1 of whatever deal he signs.

I think the problem with paying Scola the MLE right off the bat is that you risk setting his value too high. If Scola comes in and is a good, but not great player -- if he's someone you want to keep around, but who isn't supremely productive -- you risk pricing yourself out of the reasonable market for him. You can't realistically give him the MLE and 6 years because if he goes bust, you're stuck. But when that first contract expires, he'll likely demand more than the MLE, which may overstate his value. For a franchise that is as calculating as the Spurs, that move would be decidedly unlike Holt Cat.

[timvp]

Scola very easily could have been demanding a contract upwards of $15M over three years. The Spurs just can't do that. First of all, he's too much of a risk in the league to be worth that much guaranteed money. If he busted out, you'd have $10M guaranteed stuck on the cap for the next couple seasons.

Second of all, it doesn't really hurt the Spurs to keep him in Eurpoe. Horry is still going to be the go-to power forward in the playoffs whether Scola is here or not. Scola would be a regular season minute filler. Now the Spurs can use that time to better figure out whether Nazr is worth throwing big money at.

[waly.mg]

Scola, que fue seleccionado por los Spurs en el draft de 2002 con el número 56, tiene contrato con el Tau hasta 2006, y su clausula de rescisión asciende a los 2 millones de dólares.

[Kori Ellis]

That is a Dominican Republic newspaper. No offense, but I would rather trust a Spanish newspaper.

Moreover, the second link is from a newspaper that no longer exists.

I was just posting the quickest ones I could find on google. I actually originally heard it from an Argentine reporter. It's been written differently everywhere.

[Solid D]

Sorry for asking about this sensitive issue ... but in Ramadan Nazr will have to avoid training during the day??

I think it's more of an energy thing during Ramadan. Ramadan means fasting and restraint from sex during the day (dawn to sundown). I am not Muslim, but I know they usually have a pre-dawn meal and a sundown meal.

[2centsworth]

if Scola turns out to be a 6'9" Manu then the spurs will kick themselves. If he turns out to be Christian Laetner the spurs look like geniuses. Who the knows these things?

[spurjur]

Isn't their a buyout rule this year? Like what the Mavericks plan to do with Michael Finley? Does anyone see the Spurs doing this?

[Rick Von Braun]

That puts the buyout at around $2.5 million, too. I'd assume the Spurs are still only allowed to contribute about $300,000 to the buy out, so they'll have to be able to pay Scola at least $2 million plus a reasonable salary in Year 1 of whatever deal he signs.

I think the problem with paying Scola the MLE right off the bat is that you risk setting his value too high. If Scola comes in and is a good, but not great player -- if he's someone you want to keep around, but who isn't supremely productive -- you risk pricing yourself out of the reasonable market for him. You can't realistically give him the MLE and 6 years because if he goes bust, you're stuck. But when that first contract expires, he'll likely demand more than the MLE, which may overstate his value. For a franchise that is as calculating as the Spurs, that move would be decidedly unlike Holt Cat.

FWD,

The following post may provide you a more accurate estimate of Scola's salary.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...8&postcount=15

[Solid D]

Both of these guys are very good players. Oberto might be more prone to injury but he is very experienced. The Spurs do well with either one of these bigs, and if they eventually end up with both... all the better. I'm happy either way.

[Kori Ellis]

Isn't their a buyout rule this year? Like what the Mavericks plan to do with Michael Finley? Does anyone see the Spurs doing this?

That rule is for teams in luxury tax territory and it doesn't give them any salary cap relief. Why would the Spurs do it?

[spurjur]

[/QUOTE]That rule is for teams in luxury tax territory and it doesn't give them any salary cap relief. Why would the Spurs do it?


To rid themselves of Rasho's contract if they aren't able to trade him.

[Kori Ellis]

To rid themselves of Rasho's contract if they aren't able to trade him.

It wouldn't really help them though. They still have to pay Rasho if they waive him and they aren't in luxury tax territory.

[ChumpDumper]

To rid themselves of Rasho's contract if they aren't able to trade him.

They would still have to pay the contract in full.

[waly.mg]

Scola can sign a 2 years 5 millions (Half of MLE) with a 3rd Year Player Option, or 3 year with a 4th Player option

[ChumpDumper]

Or he could sign next summer for $2 million less.

[JUUOT]

impressive.
Duncan 5years of contract
Nesterovic 4years
Horry 2+1
oberto 2+1
Nazr 1
the right for Scola, javtokas, karaulev, mahinmi
this give spurs so many options it is just insane. Nearly every team is struggling to get bigs (except dtroit and denver maybee) and we are full of them.
the strategy is clear. Spurs are taking of the front line and make LJIII and brown wait depending on front line issues.
Now Horry and Oberto are signed for 3 years.

Scola is coming only if rasho or Nazr leave. if he is not. nobody seems to think they would complete the front line with a young forward to go learn in NBDL under new cba rule of 14 roster?

i feel glenn robinson could be back if Scola is not in. this why they make brown and ljIII waiting. because if they have enough for Robinson, brown has no more place and they would keep the less expensive...

pieces are coming together but Spurs could do so many things... simply amazing, such a good position. it is unfair for the rest of the league!

[spurjur]

Well, I was under the assumption that the Spurs were over the salary cap by a little. So I was thinking if they can buyout his contract that they would be able to sign some free agents. Antoher words, buyout his contract. Yes I understand they would still be able to pay it, but it wouldn't penalize them (money wise) if they were to sign another free agent to a contract.

[mysterious_elf26]

Could someone give me some insight on Oberto. I mean it was all about bringing Scola over and then suddenly this Oberto pops into the mix and we decide to bring him instead. Who is he?

Is he better and Scola? What are his strenghts and weaknesses and how could he make the team better? Could we still get Scola next year or do we lose his rights after this season? Oh, and will Oberto be getting some playing time because I was assuming if Scola were to come, he would be a huge part of our team.

[FromWayDowntown]

FWD,

The following post may provide you a more accurate estimate of Scola's salary.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...8&postcount=15

That's in line with what I was thinking, but thanks, RVB. It's nice to know that I'm not making things up!!

[clubalien]

you are sol right just imagaing when tim duncan is startin to get old we have Ian mahinmi coming in to be our franchise to build around

sort of like how tim came and played with david and inherited the franchise good times for spurs indeed championship era, and great future

[mrose31]

Watch out Sean Oberto is coming!