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If Harrington jets let him. The Spurs will have room under the cap to sign someone else.
Rasho will be traded its just a matter of time after the Oberto signing but the Hawks being under the cap are one of the few teams that makes sense for Scola in that they are under the cap plus they have something we want. The Clippers, Bucks, and Chicago for example are all under the cap but dont have anything we would want.
I think its pretty obvious that Scola has asked the spurs to trade him and unless the cap is raised to $52 mil the hawks look like his best shot.
If Harrington jets let him. The Spurs will have room under the cap to sign someone else.
Tony Delk is a PG that has nice 3 point range and is an excellent defender. Hes insurance for Udrih especially if Parker goes down.
It seems like the Hawks will offer Joe Johnson a contract. If they do, I seriously doubt Phoenix will match because of the money issue and because they may get Michael Finley much cheaper. That said, why would Atlanta want Joe Johnson who plays the same position as Josh Smith and Josh Childress. That tells me that they are willing to get rid of either Smith or Childress. The Hawks really need a quality center and could use a power forward. Those two would be Rasho and Luis.
JJohnson and JSmith and Harrington and Childress and Williams and Diaw and DSmith...
I think forget it
Scola isn´t going to pay 3 millions buyout for play in Atlanta for 3 years 8-9 millions
He is going to talk since 3 ys-10 millions
If the Hawks land Joe Johnson then he's going to start. Josh Smith is one of the best things the franchise has going for them and he will start. They just drafted Marvin Williams with the #2 overall pick. He's going to start.
Childress seems lost in the mix out on the perimeter. The Hawks need a frontcourt.
2 + 2 = ?
I friend of mine brought up something that cooked my noodle. It came up because he misunderstood what the news story was about but it posed a good question.
Could SA trade the rights to Scola to ATL, then ATL sign and trade Scola back to us in a package deal for Rasho? I tried to look this up in the CBA and can't find what part would deal with such a scenario.
Say Scola to ATL for either a position protected 1st or a 2nd then sign Scola for 4 Mill in the first year then package with Josh Smith and trade back to SA for Rasho? Maybe even add Diaw or Lue to the deal to sweeten the pot and make the $$ match.
Obvious problems with this deal are 1) Is it legal? 2) Would we trade a proven big to ATL to get back our own unproven big with a contract with escalated cost to cover his buyout.
We actually wouldn't. We will be far enough over the cap that all it will do is keep us out of the luxury tax.
1 Johnson
2 JSmith
3 Williams
4 Scola
5 Nesterovic
Yeah, Johnson's not a true point but if you are paying him max money he will start. They have Delk still around to handle some of the point duties and let Johnson slide to a natural wing position. That team would be enough to play an entertaining brand of ball and perhaps threaten to make the playoffs in a season or two. Nesterovic and Scola would be good fits for them.
I don't think it is legal. I can't think right now why. But they also won't trade Smith. He is a local guy, he is their only marketable guy, and he is just as good as childress if not better.
There is a "lock up period" for trading a free agent you sign. I'm not sure what the rule is for 2nd round picks.
My guess is that if the Spurs trade Scola's rights, then the only thing preventing the scenario of the Spurs trading back for Scola is that after he signed with another team they wouldn't be able to trade him for 90 days or so.
I will be surprised if Scola will start right away. He may, but with who they have I would be surprised if he came off the bench at the beginning. Assuming we got Childress and PHO matches Johnson maybe:
C-Nesterovic/Collier
PF-Harrington/Scola
SF-Williams/Diaw
SG-Smith
PG-?/Delk
I believe that's correct.
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#84
I think it falls under this part ... Players can't be traded:
For three months or until December 15th of that season (whichever is later) after signing a contract as a free agent or draft rookie.
hmm what about the rule you never trade big for small unless you are trading for a superstar
There is a rule that says a team cannot reaquire a player they have traded away during that year. They can only claim him off waivers. So no, we could not trade scola and trade back for him.
Actually it falls under the very last one on that list.
I am still curious, do people really think that Oberto will log us 15-20 minutes a game and serve as our first center off the bench?
I thought maybe it didn't because Scola isn't consider a "player" of the Spurs because he's not signed with them. Either way, they can't immediately trade him back.Actually it falls under the very last one on that list.
1 Johnson
2 JSmith
3 Williams
4 Harrington
5 Nesterovic
1 Delk
2 Stoudamire
2 DSmith
3 Diaw
4 Scola
5 Collier
5 Willis
NO, most belive he will be our starting center
And maybe it doesn't, but the reason I assumed that, was because my understanding of owning someone's "rights" means that they are your player. No one else has any connection to them and cannot even contact them.
I'm not too sure about that. Players have been traded, waived and then re-signed by the team that originally traded them before. That's why there is a deadline for players to be waived so they can be eligible for the playoffs. I believe it's informally known as the 'Paultz Rule'...
Why do you think PHO won't match Johnson? Just curious. I guess I think they value him too much to just let him walk. They envision him and amare being able to hold down the fort for a very long time.
That is right. That is why I said they can claim them off waivers but cannot trade back for them. Maybe I didn't say that clear enough in my post.
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