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  1. #126
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    To contrast the above: Lowry/Monta/Ariza/Dirk/Tyson or Felton/Monta/Bron/Dirk/Tyson is pretty damn good and for the cost of 2 2nd rounders and taking on only 3M this year (while winning long-term financially) has wayyyyyyy more upside than NY's end.

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    If Dirk takes only 10M, they would have approximately 23M in cap space..
    Show your work or you get no credit tbh

  3. #128
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    How does this tangibly help NY? They lost their best trade asset (Tyson), didn't improve their team basketball wise (Calderon/Dalembert =/< Tyson) and they lost cap space in the near future. All to get Shane Larkin and 2 2nd rounders.
    Honestly, what were you expecting them to get for Chandler? A mid-first-rounder, a pick that's practically in the first and a second is a of a lot to get for any decent under this new CBA.

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    I'm seeing, the even with Dirk taking 10M, Dallas still has 20M in cap space. Am I wrong here? Read that in several places..

  5. #130
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    Losing Calderon is a huge loss for Dallas tbh.

  6. #131
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    Honestly, what were you expecting them to get for Chandler? A mid-first-rounder, a pick that's practically in the first and a second is a of a lot to get for any decent under this new CBA.
    Who cares if Larkin was a mid-first rounder. If re-done, he would be no where near that pick so it's a non-event. They gave up their best asset for 2 2nd rounders and nothing that matters actually basketball wise.

    And they gave up cap space/flexibility in the future.

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    moral victory, tbh. Franklin's Avatar
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    bringing TC back justifies it all tbh

  8. #133
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    To contrast the above: Lowry/Monta/Ariza/Dirk/Tyson or Felton/Monta/Bron/Dirk/Tyson is pretty damn good and for the cost of 2 2nd rounders and taking on only 3M this year (while winning long-term financially) has wayyyyyyy more upside than NY's end.
    You seem to be missing the point a little. Those lineups (especially the second one) aren't attainable anymore unless Dirk is taking the minimum. Even so, they Mavs gave up those picks for nothing. From everything we know, they would have been able to get Chandler without using their picks eventually.

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    You seem to be missing the point a little. Those lineups (especially the second one) aren't attainable anymore unless Dirk is taking the minimum. Even so, they Mavs gave up those picks for nothing. From everything we know, they would have been able to get Chandler without using their picks eventually.
    Huh? They are attainable. Mavs, even with Dirk taking 10M, have about 20M in cap space.

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    Losing Calderon is a huge loss for Dallas tbh.
    Calderon was no more than a clutch 3pt shooter on our squad imho, Monta was the true PG of our team. All we needed from Calderon was 3pt shooting and Felton will provide just that.

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    Who cares if Larkin was a mid-first rounder. If re-done, he would be no where near that pick so it's a non-event. They gave up their best asset for 2 2nd rounders and nothing that matters actually basketball wise.

    And they gave up cap space/flexibility in the future.
    No, you don't get to retroactively downgrade Larkin. That was like TD21 trying to tell me last year that Indiana didn't give up too much for Scola because Plumlee was pretty much a second-rounder who got picked too high.

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    Huh? They are attainable. Mavs, even with Dirk taking 10M, have about 20M in cap space.
    No, they don't. You're forgetting roster-charges. That knocks off $2-$3 Million from their cap space.

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    Projected Cap: 63M

    Dallas Salaries with Dirk taking 10M:

    44M

    That leaves 19M left. Am I missing something?

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    Anyone thinking Mark is trying to build a championship contender is ing hilariously naive. Dude took his winnings and blew to . He knew what he had, and he could have paid for another season, but nope.

    It's all just smoke and mirrors to keep selling season tickets based on the hope they will acquire the right pieces, meanwhile Dirk is wasting away his life on the fringe of contention.

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    No, they don't. You're forgetting roster-charges. That knocks off $2-$3 Million from their cap space.
    OK, even with the roster charges, they still have significant cap space with Dirk taking 10M and a roster core of:

    Monta/Dirk/Tyson

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    Show your work or you get no credit tbh
    You've become just about insufferable because of a in' ring. Miserable little bas .

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    Projected Cap: 63M

    Dallas Salaries with Dirk taking 10M:

    44M

    That leaves 19M left. Am I missing something?
    C'mon, deeps, me & you against the Bum. I hate that er. What say, old horse?

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    No, you don't get to retroactively downgrade Larkin. That was like TD21 trying to tell me last year that Indiana didn't give up too much for Scola because Plumlee was pretty much a second-rounder who got picked too high.
    This is why I (and Phillip) don't agree with you. I don't give a damn if Larkin was drafted in the first round. I am downgrading him because he has not proven to be very good. What kind of logic is that? After the draft is over all that matters is can you play. So if MIA trades Oden, they should get #1 pick value back?

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    Given NY actually has its first rounder next year, I'd imagine they are tanking the heck out of this season to get the best asset possible. Amare and Bargnani are both expiring. Surprising they took back long-term money in Calderon but otherwise they did what they had to do and got younger.

    Now they have Larkin, Shumpert, Hardaway and two second rounders and most importantly an ability to hit the reset button well before their Brooklyn counterparts.

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    Calderon was no more than a clutch 3pt shooter on our squad imho, Monta was the true PG of our team. All we needed from Calderon was 3pt shooting and Felton will provide just that.
    He was a very good player in the playoff series and one I felt like could have big games at any moment. He was always a good ballhandler and decent passer, so unless you guys get Lowry or another solid PG, this move might hurt the Mavs. Sure, Tyson Chandler is great for you guys but losing Calderon and gaining Felton seems like it could cause some issues.

  21. #146
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    Projected Cap: 63M

    Dallas Salaries with Dirk taking 10M:

    44M

    That leaves 19M left. Am I missing something?
    Yes. Dallas will have seven players under contract. Per the CBA, teams have to account for 12 roster spots before they can use cap space. That means Dallas has to have five "roster charges" added to their salary before they can sign anyone. Each roster charge is about $400k (that's what it was last year, but it's going to be a bit more this year). Dallas thusly has only $16-$17 Million to offer.

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    Tells me is a TC vs Melo ordeal and Ray Ray is the scapegoat.

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    lol Felton, and Chandler is never healthy anymore

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    This is why I (and Phillip) don't agree with you. I don't give a damn if Larkin was drafted in the first round. I am downgrading him because he has not proven to be very good. What kind of logic is that? After the draft is over all that matters is can you play. So if MIA trades Oden, they should get #1 pick value back?
    Because Dallas apparently saw something in him they liked. They passed over much more highly rated prospects for him. One year is not enough time to know it was a mistake (as it wasn't with Plumlee). It's one thing to know he has a price (not like they did with Beaubois), but it's another to just throw him in like it was nothing.

    The Oden example is poor. He's been in the league for eight years now. He's not a draft pick anymore (even if a lot of people were acting like he was last year).

  25. #150
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    Yes. Dallas will have seven players under contract. Per the CBA, teams have to account for 12 roster spots before they can use cap space. That means Dallas has to have five "roster charges" added to their salary before they can sign anyone. Each roster charge is about $400k (that's what it was last year, but it's going to be a bit more this year). Dallas thusly has only $16-$17 Million to offer.
    7? I am counting 9:

    Dirk: 10M
    Tyson:
    Monta:
    Felton:
    Wright:
    Crowder:
    James:
    Ledo:
    Mekel:

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    Total Salary: 44M
    Total Cap Est: 63M

    Why would Sham have James' salary count against Dallas if he was released?

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