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    You're welcome. This is hugely important, it seemed to need some actual information.
    Dude, haven't seen you around for a while. Great to to see you posting.

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    This is when we forbid western companies from doing business with Russia. It is very dependent on a lot of Western companies for some things, especially their oil sector.

    The end game is likely quite a bit of economic damage to Russia, and a severe loss of prestige and standing for them, pretty much the opposite of what Putin wanted.

    Russia will not take over Ukraine. It is too big, and that would quite possibly trigger a NATO-Russia dust up. Ukraine is not part of NATO, but is running that way as fast as they can.

    I can see a lot of military cooperation being shoved their way in rather covert ways after this.

    You can expect Russia's oil output to decline faster than it has been once the sanctions go into effect, but that is a long term effect of this event. You won't see much effect on gas prices in the US though. (EDIT: Russia's oil sector managed to halt its production decline though partnerships with Western oil majors, and increased it in 2013, but this would not be sustainable without those partnerships)

    If you want to profit from this, invest in US natural gas companies. Europe will be very very eager to cut its dependence on Russia for its natural gas after this, even more so than they were before. They will never be able to completely get away from it, though.
    Agree. Russia completely overplayed their hand here. They dared Europe and the United States to do something, and since then have given us increasing amounts of justification for actually taking serious action against Putin.

    Things could get bad in Russia, really quickly. What's scary is that Putin is possibly arrogant enough to escalate this further...

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    Here is a bit on the covert Russian military support, both in Crimea and in eastern Ukraine. They have been dubbed "little green men".

    The Ukraine crisis has seen an interesting phenomenon: the appearance in Crimea and eastern Ukraine of seemingly professional soldiers in Russia-style combat uniforms with Russian weapons but without identifying insignia. Ukrainians coined the term "little green men" when such soldiers first manned roadblocks and seized strategic points on the Crimean peninsula.

    NATO should think through what this could portend for Alliance security, specifically, how to react if little green men appeared in Estonia or Latvia.

    The little green men turned up in Crimea at the end of February. When asked at a March 4 press conference about the soldiers and their Russian-style combat fatigues, President Vladimir Putin denied that they were Russian, calling them "local self-defense units."

    The truth soon came out. On March 28, Putin congratulated Russian officers in the Kremlin for their conduct of the Crimean operation. The Russian Defense Ministry issued a victory medal for the "return of Crimea." In a May 18 telethon, Mr. Putin acknowledged that the troops in Crimea were Russian.

    In the same telethon, the Russian president denied that the soldiers who in April had begun seizing buildings in eastern Ukraine were Russian. While many of the armed separatists in Donetsk and Luhansk undoubtedly are local, some have looked and handled themselves a lot like the little green men/Russian soldiers who so efficiently took control of Crimea. Will Mr. Putin at some later date confirm that Russian personnel have in fact been involved in eastern Ukraine?
    http://www.brookings.edu/research/op...reen-men-pifer

    http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europ...f-table.-video

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    Dude, haven't seen you around for a while. Great to to see you posting.
    Been busy in a project in a very small town with ty internet connectivity, that and vacation to wyoming to see my brother.

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    Agree. Russia completely overplayed their hand here. They dared Europe and the United States to do something, and since then have given us increasing amounts of justification for actually taking serious action against Putin.

    Things could get bad in Russia, really quickly. What's scary is that Putin is possibly arrogant enough to escalate this further...
    Well, Putin has indicated he will back down from the analysis I have read. Even he knows he has ed up at this point.

    His problem is that his own right-wing nationalists really want to escalate this, as they see Ukraine as "theirs". Those ers are in for a rude awakening.

    Quite frankly it is, to me, another indication that right-wing nationalism is stupid and dangerous, in any country.

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    Very informative answer. I really do appreciate you walking me through this. I'm starting to at least get a small picture of what's going on over there.
    Well this is some scary , that could draw the US, in a worst case scenario into a military conflict.

    This and China's bullying of its neighbors. . But that is a whole other thread... maybe I will try to find one of my old ones and update it...

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    Well, Putin has indicated he will back down from the analysis I have read. Even he knows he has ed up at this point.

    His problem is that his own right-wing nationalists really want to escalate this, as they see Ukraine as "theirs". Those ers are in for a rude awakening.

    Quite frankly it is, to me, another indication that right-wing nationalism is stupid and dangerous, in any country.
    He says that. To me, translated into Putindrek, it means, "In going to keep my underhanded assholery on the down low for a few weeks until everyone forgets about then, then resume the translucent attempts to wrest territory away from Ukraine."

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    moral victory, tbh. Franklin's Avatar
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    moral victory, tbh. Franklin's Avatar
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    People are stupid as to believe it has anything to do with Putin and his Russia. Whole was caused by Malaysians' laziness and irresponsibility, which are inborn characteristics of them Southeastern Asian s. They just wanna cover up the whole and blame others for their own mistakes. They crashed two planes within the span of a few months and that ain't coincidence imho.

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    People are stupid as to believe it has anything to do with Putin and his Russia. Whole was caused by Malaysians' laziness and irresponsibility, which are inborn characteristics of them Southeastern Asian s. They just wanna cover up the whole and blame others for their own mistakes. They crashed two planes within the span of a few months and that ain't coincidence imho.
    You are an idiot.

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    The first Malaysian plane was probably the test run, now that the ratcoon tribe controls western Ukraine the call to take down the 2nd came straight from tel aviv

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    The first Malaysian plane was probably the test run, now that the ratcoon tribe controls western Ukraine the call to take down the 2nd came straight from tel aviv
    Wild mushrooms in the salad.
    Avoid them.

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    moral victory, tbh. Franklin's Avatar
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    You are an idiot.
    Yeah I don't believe what the mainstream media wants me to believe, I am an idiot.

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    Yeah I don't believe what the mainstream media wants me to believe, I am an idiot.
    Wow good for you.

    So where do you get your information?
    Give me some of your favorite sites that are not mainstream.
    I need to read about the Southeast Asian lazy gene.

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    People are stupid as to believe it has anything to do with Putin and his Russia. Whole was caused by Malaysians' laziness and irresponsibility, which are inborn characteristics of them Southeastern Asian s. They just wanna cover up the whole and blame others for their own mistakes. They crashed two planes within the span of a few months and that ain't coincidence imho.
    Soooo despite the fact that one of the rebel leaders tweeted that he shot down an aircraft at the exact same time, using a launcher that they would have only obtained locally from Russia, means that Russia had nothing to do with it?

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    I just have to make this remark...

    Now all of a sudden, Fox news is credible?
    http://www.boston.com/news/world/eur...YL/story.html# ?

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    Is this like wag the dog? To distract us from Israel killing off Palestinians?

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    Wow good for you.

    So where do you get your information?
    Give me some of your favorite sites that are not mainstream.
    I need to read about the Southeast Asian lazy gene.
    This guy believes American Media

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    This guy believes American Media
    This guy believes RT.

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    This guy believes RT.
    I was reading their article & Al Jazerra earlier

    Definitely the way to go

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    Sad way to die but why would anyone be on a flight that is close to Russia and Ukraine? Just a recipe for disaster. Avoid those places, the Middle East and north Korea.

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    Sad way to die but why would anyone be on a flight that is close to Russia and Ukraine? Just a recipe for disaster. Avoid those places, the Middle East and north Korea.

    do you check your plane's trajectory when you buy tickets? get real.

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    Cuckraine

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    US sanctions dont do to russia

    they just sell t heir to the chinese who are energy hungry

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    US sanctions dont do to russia

    they just sell t heir to the chinese who are energy hungry

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