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    As I stated in my response to you, I feel that the magnitude of Ray's response far exceeded what one would expect given that it was his fiancee who spat on him. They got into a heated spat. That your significant other might at some point knock you out cold and drag you out of an elevator face down is never a reasonable supposition in that situation. In that regard I do feel that her anger is justified. It is, however, misplaced. It should be directed squarely at Ray and not the media.

    Ray reacted as I would expect him to react to a stranger. That's all on Ray and no one else.
    Yes. That's what it was. It wasn't abuse. By all accounts, he just made a mistake. His wife did too. He's not a horrible human being just for snapping and responding badly after repeated provocations. I think she has every right to be pissed at the media spinning this out of control, especially if she knows that she played a bigger role than people assign to her. She obviously hit him first (in the video), and she may well have been physical with him previously. There's no way that anyone who does that SHOULD feel like they're a victim. Yet, the media completely disregarded her own agency in the ordeal. They turned her into a victim to make Rice into a monster. That is the media's fault, not Rice's nor Palmer's.

    Ray deserved his punishment (not to this extent, but still) for overreacting and using dangerous force. However, Palmer was not a victim just because she's weaker. I simply don't think it's fair for people to call this DA when there are legit cases where one family member actually does abuse a person who's not fighting back or even doing anything wrong. Ray has done a lot of good in the community. To be compared to OJ Simpson, for people to say that he was did was worse than that Hernandez did, is completely baseless.

    As far as the elevator thing goes, I don't think it was that bad. It looked creepy, but it made much more sense to take her out of the elevator than it did to leave her in there. Elevators move, after all. I don't know why he didn't carry her out, but maybe he was too drunk.

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    Yes. That's what it was. It wasn't abuse. By all accounts, he just made a mistake. His wife did too. He's not a horrible human being just for snapping and responding badly after repeated provocations. I think she has every right to be pissed at the media spinning this out of control, especially if she knows that she played a bigger role than people assign to her. She obviously hit him first (in the video), and she may well have been physical with him previously. There's no way that anyone who does that SHOULD feel like they're a victim. Yet, the media completely disregarded her own agency in the ordeal. They turned her into a victim to make Rice into a monster. That is the media's fault, not Rice's nor Palmer's.

    Ray deserved his punishment (not to this extent, but still) for overreacting and using dangerous force. However, Palmer was not a victim just because she's weaker. I simply don't think it's fair for people to call this DA when there are legit cases where one family member actually does abuse a person who's not fighting back or even doing anything wrong. Ray has done a lot of good in the community. To be compared to OJ Simpson, for people to say that he was did was worse than that Hernandez did, is completely baseless.

    As far as the elevator thing goes, I don't think it was that bad. It looked creepy, but it made much more sense to take her out of the elevator than it did to leave her in there. Elevators move, after all. I don't know why he didn't carry her out, but maybe he was too drunk.
    Its good to know someone is in the head of Rice.

    This is pitiful. Wailing and moaning. Tough luck bud. You are in the entertainment business and you had no clue. Your employers basically set you up by not doing their due diligence. Wait till next year. They might forget. Ray Lewis got a shot at TV. It's not over yet.

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    Its good to know someone is in the head of Rice.

    This is pitiful. Wailing and moaning. Tough luck bud. You are in the entertainment business and you had no clue. Your employers basically set you up by not doing their due diligence. Wait till next year. They might forget. Ray Lewis got a shot at TV. It's not over yet.
    I never claimed to be in the head of Rice. I am saying that Palmer knows what happened better than anyone else. And for them to disregard her agency with their psychobabble is not Ray's fault. It's theirs, and they (the media) should have to own up to it. But they won't.

    I don't think a "Get over it," prescription really makes sense to the Rices. They'll have to get over it regardless. But they can't because people keep calling for blood and attacking them. Janay was already over it (as far as we know) by the time Rice had his first press conference. It's everyone else who can't seem to move past the issue ... SEVEN months later.

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    I never claimed to be in the head of Rice. I am saying that Palmer knows what happened better than anyone else. And for them to disregard her agency with their psychobabble is not Ray's fault. It's theirs, and they (the media) should have to own up to it. But they won't.

    I don't think a "Get over it," prescription really makes sense to the Rices. They'll have to get over it regardless. But they can't because people keep calling for blood and attacking them. Janay was already over it (as far as we know) by the time Rice had his first press conference. It's everyone else who can't seem to move past the issue ... SEVEN months later.
    Thank the NFL as well. This was pointed out in another thread. Seven months later some people finally learned that a knock out blow looks much worse on camera than what was already written in plain English.

    Ray Rice is an entertainer. Entertainers are judged by the public. Does the NFL need to provide players with a course on this? Or just keep requiring some uninterested entertainers to occasionally go on pre planned visits to hospitals or serve turkey during Thanksgiving to homeless people... For maybe a whole hour of what could have been some good video game time at home on the couch.

    But he just made a mistake. Chinook knows this was a first time deal. Nothing close to this had ever happened before to Ray. A onetime mistake. Just like the drunk driver that gets pulled over for the first time.

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    Vikings Adrian Peterson reportedly indicted in child injury case

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-adrian-peterson-child-abuse-20140912-story.html
    Spanked his kid..Oh Noes!

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    The injuries to the child, discovered during a check-up with the child’s doctor, included cuts and bruises to the boy’s back, buttocks, ankles, legs and scrotum, along with defensive wounds to his hands.

    Authorities said the child had a different story saying, “Daddy Peterson hit me on my face,” and that he was worried his father would punch him in the face if he told police what happened. He also added that Peterson put the branch’s leaves in his mouth while he was being beaten with his pants down.

    In interviews with police, Peterson admitted to the beating saying the marks on the child were similar to those on his other children get when he “spanks them with a switch.”

    http://www.alternet.org/culture/nfls...ives-his-other




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    Supposed to hold still for your whoopin...kid would have figured that out eventually. Peterson should get a medal for being involved in his childrens lives.

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