Spurs vs Pacers - Unbiased Detailed Breakdown

[Phenomanul]

Career three point shooting %

Barry/Spurs - .402
Bowen/Spurs - .382
Horry/Spurs - .370
Finley/Spurs - .370
Ginobili/Spurs - .363
Van Exel/Spurs - .357
Jone/Pacers - .357 (finally)
Johnson/Pacers - .339
Croshere/Pacers - .337
Jackson/Pacers - .336
Tinsley/Pacers - .317
Artest/Pacers - .316
Parker/Spurs - .315

The Duncan Factor

[jermaine7fan]

You guys are a bunch of dumb ers! I came here to have a discussion with someone outside of the Indiana/Detroit/Miami fan base. All I see on here is a bunch of put-downs from you guys. Thankfully for you all, your organization is 1000 times more classy than any of you. You keep calling us trolls when we are not trying to bash you guys at all. We just want some talk outside of our regular EC circles. If you ask me... you all are trolls on your own board. I hope the people at my posting site do not become overconfident pompous jack-asses like you all if we take the le from you this year! You all SEVERELY underestimate the abilities of the Indiana Pacers. We are on a mission this year and the final stage of it will be against you all. Am I a troll? Nope! Was I hoping to make some friends and have a decent basketball discussion on here? Yes! You all need to take a look in the troll mirror... it is troll city on here! If you read the posts on our Pacers site you would see how realistic we are about who can win it all! Teams with a chance...
IND
DET
MIA
SAS


Those are the top teams in the league... you all appear to see only yourselves as possible candidates. IMO SAS and IND have the highest chances. We gave you a warning shot by trying to explain to you all how good of a team we really have... but you are to busy looking at yourselves in the mirror to notice. I cannot wait to see how much your tune will change come June!

[Phenomanul]

Sarunas Jasikevicius if you do not know who that is again you do not follow basketball,period.

BTW Danny Ferry only knew to pick this guy up because the Spurs have been after him since 2000.....

Yeah we know who he is....

[ObiwanGinobili]

You mean "Big Shot Rob" who got outshot by Regis Philbin on "Live With Regis & Kelly" earlier in the week? LOL. "Big Shot Rob" has made a career out of riding jocks and performing miserably, only to hit a "big shot" in the closing minutes of playoffs games. And by "big shot" I mean standing out on the perimeter doing absolutely nothing, only to have the ball roll to him so he can make a wide open 23' shot. Something not only most NBA players could do, but the majority of casual basketball players could do. I know I've been recorded as hitting 82% from wide open 3point land, and I'm willing to bet that's signifigantly higher than Robert Horry.

Speaking as a person who watched Regis & Kelly at least 3 times a weekI'd like to point out:
NBA guests on LIve w/Regis & Kelly hardly ever make thier shots.
Shaq, Kobe, DWade, Yao, etc etc..... (ok -you expect that from Shaq)..they all make maybe 1 or 2 shots an appearance.. most of the time none.

Also - what do you mean by "earlier in the week"? Horry was on days after the '05 finals. So either it;s a re-run or you have a bad memory.

And how are you gonna judge a PROVEN CLUTCH player with 6 RINGS based on a 3min. tv appearence that he was late for becasue of a 12hr flight mishap?? The man honestly earned his nickname thru what people have seen of his play.
He ain't a crock of . Don't paint him as one just cause your jealous.

[ObiwanGinobili]

You guys are a bunch of dumb ers! I came here to have a discussion with someone outside of the Indiana/Detroit/Miami fan base. All I see on here is a bunch of put-downs from you guys. Thankfully for you all, your organization is 1000 times more classy than any of you. You keep calling us trolls when we are not trying to bash you guys at all. We just want some talk outside of our regular EC circles. If you ask me... you all are trolls on your own board. I hope the people at my posting site do not become overconfident pompous jack-asses like you all if we take the le from you this year! You all SEVERELY underestimate the abilities of the Indiana Pacers. We are on a mission this year and the final stage of it will be against you all. Am I a troll? Nope! Was I hoping to make some friends and have a decent basketball discussion on here? Yes! You all need to take a look in the troll mirror... it is troll city on here! If you read the posts on our Pacers site you would see how realistic we are about who can win it all! Teams with a chance...
IND
DET
MIA
SAS


Those are the top teams in the league... you all appear to see only yourselves as possible candidates. IMO SAS and IND have the highest chances. We gave you a warning shot by trying to explain to you all how good of a team we really have... but you are to busy looking at yourselves in the mirror to notice. I cannot wait to see how much your tune will change come June!

Jermaine7
I saw your original post in this thread and I've got to say I respect it. It's reality mixed with a bit of Indylove.
Just like most of the posts here are (or strive to be) a bit of reality mixed with a bit of Spurs love.
I believe you stepped into this thread after "our" fevers had allready been raised by the original poster.. it was just a bad situation and I'm sorry if you got some of the flack.
But trust me - this is a very awesome forum. Most of our discussions are just as classy as the orginazation we love. We have quite a few regular posters here who are from other teams (lakers fans, suns fans, mavericks fans, heat fans... and even a portland fan).
I'm sure if you check out the other threads and stick around a bit you'll find it;s worth your time.

[jermaine7fan]

Man!!! I can't decide what to think about you all! Is it just this thread that makes you all seem so y and blind? I have seen some good posts from you all on other threads... did the first post piss you all off so much that you are just bashing our franchise over one biased pacer fans thoughts? I know your coach, team, and organization see the Pacers as a deadly opponent... it is very sad that none of you seem to. I am not saying the Pacers are going to wipe the floor with you, or even that we ARE necessarily going to beat you... but we do have a chance at bringing you down. If you can't see that it is because you are too busy looking at yourselves in the mirror. I wish your team the best of luck... but you all need a lesson in the fact that you aren't the only race horse in town. Don't let your heads balloon too much... they just may pop if a team defeats you this year!

P.S.- All many people on here see is that one horrible night in Detroit last year for Artest and Jackson. Are you all expecting another situation like that? Cause it won't happen. If you have heard any interviews lately you would know exactly how focused our team is on preventing that from happening again. And I read on here that someone said Pop got the advantage at the coaching spot because he can control his players. Pop gets the advantage cause he is the better coach. He wouldn't have been able to stop that happening either. And also read a blast at Artest for fouling hard in junktime of a game... THE MOST UNVIEWED EVENT FROM THAT NIGHT WAS BEN FOULING RON JUST AS HARD ON THE OTHER END OF THE FLOOR... IMMEDIATELY BEFORE RON RETALIATED WITH THAT HARD FOUL! If you ask me Ron was fifth in responsibility for that fight escalating to what it did.

FIRST
Ben Wallace
-hard foul in junk time on Ron
-choke pushing Ron after he retaliated
-throwing a towel at Ron while he was laying down ( I believe the fan would have never thought about throwing something at Ron if he hadn't just seen Ben do it)

SECOND
NBA Officials
-for not ejecting and removing Ben and Ron from the court immediately!!! Have you ever seen two players be aloud to stay on court with each other after fighting for that long. It was like two minutes between the choke push and Ron running to the stands... they should have both been in the locker room by then.

THIRD
Stephen Jackson
- For throwing the first punch! Ron ran up in there like a mad man, but he did not swing until after Stephen had started the actual brawl. Ron just pinned the man down... he did not attempt to beat him!

FOURTH
Detroit security
- Their response time was rediculous!!! There are literally 200 to 300 people assigned to stop like this, whether they be police, security, or ushers. And it took at least two minutes for any of them to break anything up! There were fans rushing the court and throwing chairs and the security was more afraid of the Pacers players doing something!

FIFTH
Ron Artest
- For retaliating on Ben for the previous hard foul
- For leaving the court and not leaving it up to the professionals to get the guy who threw the cup. (He did not go in there swinging... he pinned a fan down... Vernon Maxwell did far worse and only got a ten game suspension)

Sorry had to get that off my chest. My point to all of that is... it won't happen again... so don't think our roster will be as limited this year. You all need to keep an eye on us... we could be your most deadly opponent!

[ChumpDumper]

Ron doesn't shoot over .400 in the playoffs either....

Indy is good, but their fans are getting ahead of themselves.

[jermaine7fan]

Jermaine7
I saw your original post in this thread and I've got to say I respect it. It's reality mixed with a bit of Indylove.
Just like most of the posts here are (or strive to be) a bit of reality mixed with a bit of Spurs love.
I believe you stepped into this thread after "our" fevers had allready been raised by the original poster.. it was just a bad situation and I'm sorry if you got some of the flack.
But trust me - this is a very awesome forum. Most of our discussions are just as classy as the orginazation we love. We have quite a few regular posters here who are from other teams (lakers fans, suns fans, mavericks fans, heat fans... and even a portland fan).
I'm sure if you check out the other threads and stick around a bit you'll find it;s worth your time.

OK... I forgive... sorry for ranting in my last three posts! I was quite ticked at the time. Maybe I should just talk NBA for a while until you all and I cool down from this thread! Again... I am sorry for ranting... I am sure you all are not bad people... I'll give you a second chance, if you will give me one.

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

Spurs vs Pacers - Unbiased Detailed Breakdown

Jermaine O' Neal/ Sean Marks: Big Edge for Marks
Jeff Foster/ Rasho Nesterovic: Big Edge for Rasho
Stephen Jackson/ Brent Barry: Big Edge for Barry
Ron Artest/ Michael Finley: Huge Edge for Finley
Jamaal Tinsley/ Beno Udrih: Big Edge for Udrih

There you go, problem solved, end of thread.

[jermaine7fan]

Jermaine O' Neal/ Sean Marks: Big Edge for Marks
Jeff Foster/ Rasho Nesterovic: Big Edge for Rasho
Stephen Jackson/ Brent Barry: Big Edge for Barry
Ron Artest/ Michael Finley: Huge Edge for Finley
Jamaal Tinsley/ Beno Udrih: Big Edge for Udrih

There you go, problem solved, end of thread.

OK... that is ALL rediculous and TOTALLY untrue... I hope you weren't being serious... If so... you are severely re ed. Especially the O'Neal and Marks thing... you would be called a troll for posting that on my board! How... aw forget it... that comparison and take on the situation is LUDACRIS! You guys do have quite a few matchup advantages over us... but none of these are even remotely accurate!

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

OK... that is ALL rediculous and TOTALLY untrue... I hope you weren't being serious... If so... you are severely re ed. Especially the O'Neal and Marks thing... you would be called a troll for posting that on my board! You guys do have severely matchup advantages over us... but none of these are even remotely accurate!

Lol, it's called tongue in cheek, chill out, man.

[jermaine7fan]

Lol, it's called tongue in cheek, chill out, man.

OK...

[picnroll]

Jermaine7fan when you step into a thread like the idiot The Artest Factor started you might as well expect as a Pacer fan to get caught in the crossfire. This is not the thread for objectivity. That said the Pacers suck.

[FromWayDowntown]

FIFTH
Ron Artest
- For retaliating on Ben for the previous hard foul
- For leaving the court and not leaving it up to the professionals to get the guy who threw the cup. (He did not go in there swinging... he pinned a fan down... Vernon Maxwell did far worse and only got a ten game suspension)

Sorry had to get that off my chest. My point to all of that is... it won't happen again... so don't think our roster will be as limited this year. You all need to keep an eye on us... we could be your most deadly opponent!

That is about the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. If Ron Artest had just kept his cool at any one of several points along the way, nothing would have happened and we'd all know what Indy's roster might be capable of.

It's not that hard to just walk away from a hard foul or even a cheap shot. It doesn't impugn your manhood or diminish your credibility. Look at the repeated hard fouls and unnecessary contact that Ginobili took during the playoffs (and even at times during the season). Manu faced the exact same choices that Artest faced, and he simply dusted himself off, went to the free throw line and made the opponents pay. He was the bigger man. In doing that, nothing remotely similar to what happened in Detroit happened in any Spurs games. Had Manu acted like Artest did when Melo laid him out in Denver, that arena would have exploded the same way that the Palace did in November. Because Manu didn't act like a jackass, nothing happened.

Artest apologism is ridiculous. It's not like this was the first time that Artest blew his stack, and like all of the other times, had he just maintained some self-discipline, everything would have been cool. He had that opportunity and he blew it. He gets zero sympathy from me, and he's first on the acountability list for what happened.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Ron Artest, the NBA's most dangerous criminal.

There, I fixed it for you.

[TOP-CHERRY]

I know your coach, team, and organization see the Pacers as a deadly opponent...

Aww, sweetheart... You don't seriously believe they mean that, do you?



Seriously, though. The Pacers have proven absolutely nothing, so you can't really blame us for not taking them seriously and laughing at you guys. If and when the Pacers prove to be the best in the East, we'll talk. Until that day comes, you seriously cannot expect us to feel threatened by your team.

[Brutalis]

Aside from** the fact that this guy is just arrogant..

Since when is Indiana good enough to compare to us? Try showing it one year. Just one year is all I ask.

[ObiwanGinobili]

Jermaine O' Neal/ Sean Marks: Big Edge for Marks
Jeff Foster/ Rasho Nesterovic: Big Edge for Rasho
Stephen Jackson/ Brent Barry: Big Edge for Barry
Ron Artest/ Michael Finley: Huge Edge for Finley
Jamaal Tinsley/ Beno Udrih: Big Edge for Udrih

There you go, problem solved, end of thread.

Now that is funny!

[TOP-CHERRY]

I can't emphasize enough how much I loathe and detest Artest's egotistical and idiotic way of thinking and acting.

When I saw his interview on one of those morning shows waving his CD at the camera like a dimwitted moron, I almost spat at the TV. What a cretin.

[jermaine7fan]

That is about the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. If Ron Artest had just kept his cool at any one of several points along the way, nothing would have happened and we'd all know what Indy's roster might be capable of.

It's not that hard to just walk away from a hard foul or even a cheap shot. It doesn't impugn your manhood or diminish your credibility. Look at the repeated hard fouls and unnecessary contact that Ginobili took during the playoffs (and even at times during the season). Manu faced the exact same choices that Artest faced, and he simply dusted himself off, went to the free throw line and made the opponents pay. He was the bigger man. In doing that, nothing remotely similar to what happened in Detroit happened in any Spurs games. Had Manu acted like Artest did when Melo laid him out in Denver, that arena would have exploded the same way that the Palace did in November. Because Manu didn't act like a jackass, nothing happened.

Artest apologism is ridiculous. It's not like this was the first time that Artest blew his stack, and like all of the other times, had he just maintained some self-discipline, everything would have been cool. He had that opportunity and he blew it. He gets zero sympathy from me, and he's first on the acountability list for what happened.

Ron has issues with anger... I don't deny that... I am just saying that everything that everyone else did wrong that night was worse than what Ron did... Ron pinned a man's head to a seat... he did not throw a punch or a kick until fans started coming at him on the court... where security was still no where to be found! Look at what everyone else on that list did wrong... I think they are worse than what Ron did. Vernon Maxwell straight up ran into the stands swinging and started taking people out!!! What did he get??? 10 game suspension!!! And he had not been physically abused by anyone at that point!!! Ron had been fouled hard... choke pushed... had a towel thrown at his face... and then a plastic cup with beer in it hit him in the face!!! You try not retaliating when all that just happened to you in the last 2 minutes!!! I am personally amazed that a guy with anger issues like Ron Artest has... made it through that many things before he lashed out!

[jermaine7fan]

I can't emphasize enough how much I loathe and detest Artest's egotistical and idiotic way of thinking and acting.

When I saw his interview on one of those morning shows waving his CD at the camera like a dimwitted moron, I almost spat at the TV. What a cretin.

Have you heard him rap yet? He honestly isn't that bad... by no means do I think he is gonna sell out any stadiums... but he doesn't suck. And if you were Ron Artest... you'ld be promoting your CD too.

[jermaine7fan]

Aside from** the fact that this guy is just arrogant..

Since when is Indiana good enough to compare to us? Try showing it one year. Just one year is all I ask.

They may do that for you this year... we were poised to have a championship year last year... and our roster has only improved since then. And I hope you are not refering to me as arrogant... cause I haven't stated that we will beat you... I said we can beat you...

[TOP-CHERRY]

Ron has issues with anger... I don't deny that... I am just saying that everything that everyone else did wrong that night was worse than what Ron did... Ron pinned a man's head to a seat... he did not throw a punch or a kick until fans started coming at him on the court... where security was still no where to be found! Look at what everyone else on that list did wrong... I think they are worse than what Ron did. Vernon Maxwell straight up ran into the stands swinging and started taking people out!!! What did he get??? 10 game suspension!!! And he had not been physically abused by anyone at that point!!! Ron had been fouled hard... choke pushed... had a towel thrown at his face... and then a plastic cup with beer in it hit him in the face!!! You try not retaliating when all that just happened to you in the last 2 minutes!!! I am personally amazed that a guy with anger issues like Ron Artest has... made it through that many things before he lashed out!

What a load of BS. Funny you left out the part about the idiot lying down on the tables completely disrespecting the arena and the fans before getting a plastic cup thrown at him.

[FromWayDowntown]

What a load of BS. Funny you left out the part about the idiot lying down on the tables completely disrespecting the arena and the fans before getting a plastic cup thrown at him.

and wholly failed to say anything about the marked difference between the way that Artest handled his situation versus the way Manu handled the situation in Denver.

It's telling.

[TOP-CHERRY]

Have you heard him rap yet? He honestly isn't that bad... by no means do I think he is gonna sell out any stadiums... but he doesn't suck. And if you were Ron Artest... you'ld be promoting your CD too.

Who the said he sucks? And to be honest with you, I have no intention of finding out whether he sucks or not.

And about his promotion... Dude, seriously. This was DAYS after the incident, and people are trying to interview him and let him clear things up, and what does he do at the end? Waves his CDs and tells people to buy it. You cannot be more dimwitted than that.