9 Killed in Black Church Shooting in South Carolina

[Aztecfan03]

So the Left believes it's systemic racism, the Right believes it's an attack on Christianity.

It's going to be a fun few weeks on the Internet...

most of the right doesn't believe that. It is obvious that it his racism was his motivation.

[Clipper Nation]

Thanks, this was needed Surely the decent ones, like Obama, are the ones who are getting off their asses immediately to question current gun laws instead of the ones who are 'mourning the dead' but will do absolutely nothing to prevent a similar event happening again.

The "decent ones" apparently are the ones who want to disarm law-abiding citizens (while murderers and terrorists ignore it like they ignore all our other laws), make the rates of strangulation, stabbing, and beating deaths go up, all so they can claim the Pyrrhic victory of a miniscule decline (if that) in gun deaths. Yep, if only we all could be "decent" enough to use the corpses of innocent people to push an uncons utional fascist agenda.

[m>s]

No don't try to score political points by taking the 'let's make this about morals so we don't have to talk about gun laws" stance. You can respect the dead but you have to address the issue also. For some reason all the conservative figure heads seem to be conveniently forgetting to talk about why this happened, playing the 'moral' game to avoid any and all debates over gun laws. If conservatives had any respect for those who have died they'd take action, open their eyes and realise that absolute in' loonies shouldn't be in possession of guns instead of sitting back and doing nothing.

*Not liberal, also.

Why did it happen? Because the media has been stoking racial tensions like never before the past couple of years. They finally got their wish. Any proposed restrictions wouldn't have stopped this guy from getting a gun.

[TheSanityAnnex]

No don't try to score political points by taking the 'let's make this about morals so we don't have to talk about gun laws" stance. You can respect the dead but you have to address the issue also. For some reason all the conservative figure heads seem to be conveniently forgetting to talk about why this happened, playing the 'moral' game to avoid any and all debates over gun laws. If conservatives had any respect for those who have died they'd take action, open their eyes and realise that absolute in' loonies shouldn't be in possession of guns instead of sitting back and doing nothing.

*Not liberal, also.

Explain to me what gun law would have stopped this.

[Blizzardwizard]

The "decent ones" apparently are the ones who want to disarm law-abiding citizens (while murderers and terrorists ignore it like they ignore all our other laws), make the rates of strangulation, stabbing, and beating deaths go up, all so they can claim the Pyrrhic victory of a miniscule decline (if that) in gun deaths. Yep, if only we all could be "decent" enough to use the corpses of innocent people to push an uncons utional fascist agenda.

Fascist agenda
You know someone's scrambled when they use fascism for something that clearly is nothing of the sort. This guy was a 'law-abiding citizen' before the crime, meaning he could acquire a gun with no checks whatsoever before proceeding to murder nine people. Everyone's a 'law abiding citizen' before they commit a crime.

Miniscule decline in gun deaths That's so wrong and you know it. Fatal gun crimes are far higher in the U.S. than the vast majority of 1st world countries with strict gun laws. And that argument that removing guns will mean only criminals will have guns is bs too. Making it illegal to own a firearm would mean that any guns available on the black would sky rocket in price because of the lack of guns in the country, and no criminal is going to spend thousands and thousands to acquire weapons just to kill someone. Also, not using the corpses. I've pushed this for a long ass time, difference being conservatives only talk 'moral' but make no moral actions.

[m>s]

lol no checks so how would they stop him? He didn't have any felonies that I've heard of. And hypothetically say they did stop him, Jamal would have sold him one on the street for half the price so he could go shoot other jamals.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Fascist agenda
You know someone's scrambled when they use fascism for something that clearly is nothing of the sort. This guy was a 'law-abiding citizen' before the crime, meaning he could acquire a gun with no checks whatsoever before proceeding to murder nine people. Everyone's a 'law abiding citizen' before they commit a crime.

Miniscule decline in gun deaths That's so wrong and you know it. Fatal gun crimes are far higher in the U.S. than the vast majority of 1st world countries with strict gun laws. And that argument that removing guns will mean only criminals will have guns is bs too. Making it illegal to own a firearm would mean that any guns available on the black would sky rocket in price because of the lack of guns in the country, and no criminal is going to spend thousands and thousands to acquire weapons just to kill someone. Also, not using the corpses. I've pushed this for a long ass time, difference being conservatives only talk 'moral' but make no moral actions.

He had a felony charge on his record you stupid . For s sake do some research before spouting your bull .

[TheSanityAnnex]

The more I read on this the more I'm confused. Close friends of his interviewed were black and he had lots of black friends in his Facebook. Curious to find out if he was on any meds.

[Blizzardwizard]

Explain to me what gun law would have stopped this.

Anyone with recent run-ins with the law, say last 5 years, should either have to pass extensive tests to prove fitness to carry a firearm or not own a gun at all. This guy was involved with substance abuse and was was arrested on drug charges. This guy shouldn't have owned a gun. Easy.

[Clipper Nation]

Fascist agenda
You know someone's scrambled when they use fascism for something that clearly is nothing of the sort.

Fascism = authoritarian government. Confiscating people's lawfully-owned private property is authoritarian. Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, Pol Pot, and Castro all ins uted strict gun bans.

This guy was a 'law-abiding citizen' before the crime, meaning he could acquire a gun with no checks whatsoever before proceeding to murder nine people. Everyone's a 'law abiding citizen' before they commit a crime.

This "logic" could be used to ban anything that could possibly kill someone.

"Everyone's a law-abiding driver until they get drunk and mow people down! Ban all cars!"

"Everyone's a law-abiding knife owner unfil they stab somebody! Ban all knives!"

Fatal gun crimes are far higher in the U.S. than the vast majority of 1st world countries with strict gun laws.

Just in Europe alone I can think of a few examples where this is false. I posted a study on it about a month or so ago and surprise, surprise, all you lib s just ignored it or deflected.

And that argument that removing guns will mean only criminals will have guns is bs too. Making it illegal to own a firearm would mean that any guns available on the black would sky rocket in price because of the lack of guns in the country, and no criminal is going to spend thousands and thousands to acquire weapons just to kill someone.

By that logic, you'd think drugs would be too expensive for the average person to afford. Instead, they're extremely prevalent and easy to get if you're into that kind of thing. Alcohol was no different when we tried to ban that. Guns would be no different.

[Blizzardwizard]

He had a felony charge on his record you stupid . For s sake do some research before spouting your bull .

This guy, despite his charge, was viewed as a law-abiding citizen by the United States of America when he owned the gun and in the days leading up to his actions. You're just proving my point. The fact that he had a felony charge and still owned a gun without any background checks on him proves that current gun laws are a shambles and the 2nd Amendment is a ing death warrant.

. You.

[m>s]

He had a felony charge on his record you stupid . For s sake do some research before spouting your bull .

Did he really? I stand corrected. So he didn't even obtain it legally.

[Clipper Nation]

Did he really? I stand corrected. So he didn't even obtain it legally.

But, but, banning guns totally would have stopped this guy!

[ChumpDumper]

What difference would that make? Whites would still be superior

Why do you come across as completely inferior to just about everyone here?

[ChumpDumper]

Just in Europe alone I can think of a few examples where this is false. I posted a study on it about a month or so ago and surprise, surprise, all you lib s just ignored it or deflected.

Could you find that again? I as hearing differently on the radio.

[m>s]

But, but, banning guns totally would have stopped this guy!

We need do do something about this gosh darn it everyone knows that someone who would break the law to commit murder wouldn't dare purchase a gun off the streets. Even murderes have an honor code, always commit crimes with store bought guns only

[Blake]

Did he really? I stand corrected. So he didn't even obtain it legally.

Tsa thinks you're a stupid

[Blizzardwizard]

Fascism = authoritarian government. Confiscating people's lawfully-owned private property is authoritarian. Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, Pol Pot, and Castro all ins uted strict gun bans.


This "logic" could be used to ban anything that could possibly kill someone.

"Everyone's a law-abiding driver until they get drunk and mow people down! Ban all cars!"

"Everyone's a law-abiding knife owner unfil they stab somebody! Ban all knives!"


Just in Europe alone I can think of a few examples where this is false. I posted a study on it about a month or so ago and surprise, surprise, all you lib s just ignored it or deflected.


By that logic, you'd think drugs would be too expensive for the average person to afford. Instead, they're extremely prevalent and easy to get if you're into that kind of thing. Alcohol was no different when we tried to ban that. Guns would be no different.

Please, englighten me, find me a source that isn't from a deranged rightwing blog, something with credit, that suggests that strengthening gun laws is fascist.

In which countries within Europe that possess strict gun laws are gun deaths higher than the U.S.?

You can't possibly compare small bags of Heroin that you get off the street cheap to assault rifles or shotguns. So you think criminals would just hand around weapons for tiny prices?

Oh goodness, the ol' "if you want to ban guns you should ban all cars and knives too!" chestnut. You're running low on attacks aren't you?

[Blake]

What the :

South Carolina is one of 42 states that do not require background checks for private gun transactions, like the one that allegedly took place between Roof and his father. Gun control activists call this the “private sale” loophole.It’s illegal to give guns to felons or people with felony indictments — but that’s only if you know about their criminal records. In South Carolina, you don’t have to ask,*so*private citizens can more or less freely exchange guns.....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-to-get-a-gun/

So he got it because of ty state law

[m>s]

^lol hey Britain actually did that, banning knives. Sup piers go home.

[m>s]

Gun control isn't fascist by nature at all, hitler relaxed gun control laws for Germans when he came to power. Fascists governments draw their power from the will of the national body and have no need to disarm them because they are both working together to achieve the same ends. There is no class or any type of divisions for that matter in national socialism. The government doesn't fear the people, the people don't fear the government.

[Clipper Nation]

Please, englighten me, find me a source that isn't from a deranged rightwing blog, something with credit, that suggests that strengthening gun laws is fascist.

In the words of fascist dictators themselves:

Hitler: "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms."

Stalin: "If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves."

Mao: "All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns."

Mussolini: "I gave the categorical order to confiscate the largest possible number of weapons of every sort and kind."

Castro: "Guns? For what?"

In which countries within Europe that possess strict gun laws are gun deaths higher than the U.S.?

Russia's murder rate until recently was four times higher than the US despite having some of the strictest gun laws in the world. They finally responded by allowing citizens to own firearms for self-defense because gun control clearly didn't work.

Bonus stats:

The nine European nations with the lowest rates of gun ownership (5,000 or fewer guns per 100,000 population) have a combined murder rate three times higher than that of the nine nations with the highest rates of gun ownership (at least 15,000 guns per 100,000 population).

Norway has the highest rate of gun ownership in Western Europe, yet possesses the lowest murder rate. In contrast, Holland’s murder rate is nearly the worst, despite having the lowest gun ownership rate in Western Europe.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/...useronline.pdf

[Clipper Nation]

Oh goodness, the ol' "if you want to ban guns you should ban all cars and knives too!" chestnut. You're running low on attacks aren't you?

From your own country:

[TheSanityAnnex]

Anyone with recent run-ins with the law, say last 5 years, should either have to pass extensive tests to prove fitness to carry a firearm or not own a gun at all. This guy was involved with substance abuse and was was arrested on drug charges. This guy shouldn't have owned a gun. Easy.

You've failed to tell me what new gun law would have stopped this. Try again.

[TheSanityAnnex]

This guy, despite his charge, was viewed as a law-abiding citizen by the United States of America when he owned the gun and in the days leading up to his actions. You're just proving my point. The fact that he had a felony charge and still owned a gun without any background checks on him proves that current gun laws are a shambles and the 2nd Amendment is a ing death warrant.

. You.

You are not a law abiding citizen if you carry around a felony charge you stupid .